Utter Domination

Peace Alliance · November 21, 2007, 09:46:05 AM

I'll accept that responsibility. It's not bad enough i'll make myself fail...

Hey by the way windy. Prot was around when we had group attacking and the pretty much the same features we have now (in terms of troop attacking). And we held off the game quite well. In fact there was a long stretch where nobody (even ereptor and cloud doin everything they can!).

Prot was well defended, well protected, and VERY well organized... The League is just the result of a collection of good players. You guys aren't doing anything spectacular, and you'll never, ever, ever get out of my reach. I don't even think i need to worry about a "War" or a "rebellion". I've decided it's more profitable for me just to let you guys think you're doin well, sit back, and watch the League sink into the lower ranks.

Gen. Volkov · November 21, 2007, 01:13:16 PM

QuoteProt was well defended, well protected, and VERY well organized... The League is just the result of a collection of good players. You guys aren't doing anything spectacular, and you'll never, ever, ever get out of my reach. I don't even think i need to worry about a "War" or a "rebellion". I've decided it's more profitable for me just to let you guys think you're doin well, sit back, and watch the League sink into the lower ranks.

I disagree on all counts. One, we are being hit every day, some have gotten through, most haven't, and that's usually only after leader suicides and subsequent murders. League is actuallly probably better organized than Prot was. Prot had a few runs were we hit people down and the rest of it was just handing armies off to each other and making money. We were a fairly significant percentage of a small game as well. Prot was over half the top ten in a game with under 30 people playing. League has about the same amount of the top ten with over 50 people playing. We also have about half of those 50 arrayed against us. And we are still on top. So go ahead, sit back, we'll just keep on climbing and eventually we will indeed be out of your reach. If we are gonna sink into the lower ranks, the game is gonna have to start doing a lot more than it is now.

windhound · November 21, 2007, 01:49:25 PM

QuoteI've decided it's more profitable for me just to let you guys think you're doin well, sit back, and watch the League sink into the lower ranks.

sorry, I dont get your logic sticker
you're going to sit back and assume we get weaker every run we make? when the opposite has proven?

The league is reasonably well organized. It runs mostly as a group and has been doing rather well.

~shrug~
I just said that its impossible to defend against massers, and I still hold I'm correct on that
my Nero did alright, and again finished the round at 50% defence.. which was a decent feat at that time.
my Nova currently has a 45% defence, which I am rather proud of
better than yours at any rate = D

Peace Alliance · November 21, 2007, 04:33:56 PM

You hold a lot of pride in the defense ratio's you keep.

... You do realize that the only reason you have a high ratio is because of all the leader suicides, and troop wearing down people have done to you? The problem with that stat is that unless there is some sort of supernatural situation, most /smart/ players will only fail at you once... MAYBE twice before they succeed, or give up.

So all that stat proves is that at some point you've been in a situation where people use wear-down strategies... Where somebody could have MUCH better defense then you - yet they are clanned so wear-downs don't work... This person will have a much lower defense ratio because people won't try any wear-down strats...

Shadow · November 21, 2007, 05:20:56 PM

Quote from: Peace Alliance on November 21, 2007, 04:33:56 PM
You hold a lot of pride in the defense ratio's you keep.

... You do realize that the only reason you have a high ratio is because of all the leader suicides, and troop wearing down people have done to you? The problem with that stat is that unless there is some sort of supernatural situation, most /smart/ players will only fail at you once... MAYBE twice before they succeed, or give up.

So all that stat proves is that at some point you've been in a situation where people use wear-down strategies... Where somebody could have MUCH better defense then you - yet they are clanned so wear-downs don't work... This person will have a much lower defense ratio because people won't try any wear-down strats...

If you can put yourself in a position where a weardown strat is the only way to damage you and survive to continue doing this, you are in pretty good shape, and your defence ratio reflects that.

windhound · November 21, 2007, 05:34:02 PM

Leader suicides are stupid if not followed through
so far noone has followed through
alazar suicided 14x when I was a fox and still noone was able to break my leaders

stop being stupid and break me outright
its been noted that my troop stats are far from unbeatable, yet very few have broken me

Nero was never leader suicided, people just couldnt break him.

Shadow · November 21, 2007, 06:21:20 PM

taekwondokid suicided me about 50 times in the early days and never followed through, he left me at about 40 ratio without doing damage

Peace Alliance · November 21, 2007, 08:56:31 PM

The root of my point is that sure, withstanding suicides is impressive, but a defense ratio doesn't prove how well you did or didn't hold off the game.

Shadow · November 21, 2007, 09:30:10 PM

My point is that if you force your enemies into a position where they have to make multiple losing attacks on you before they can break you, then you are going to have a good defence ratio, which reflects the fact that you are actually holding the game off quite well.

Peace Alliance · November 21, 2007, 09:44:05 PM

And all you have to do to force someone into that situation is join a clan!

Shadow · November 21, 2007, 09:49:59 PM

not quite. you have to buy a large enough army that you can't be easily broken and keep a perfect ratio while still being able to run effectively

Peace Alliance · November 21, 2007, 09:51:53 PM

Right, but if you do that and remain unclanned, people won't do any wear-down strats on you. Hence the reason all you have to do is join a clan.

And heck, it can be someone in rank 15 who joins a clan, and someone in rank 50 has to wear him down to break him... that guy in rank 15 does NOT have an epic or even mentionable amount of defense, but his ratio will be high!

Shadow · November 21, 2007, 09:56:24 PM

it is unlikely that that will happen often enough to give you a significant defense ratio if you dont have a locking army capable of defending most of the game

Gen. Volkov · November 21, 2007, 11:01:37 PM

Well, I was broken for the first time in about 2 weeks today. I think that's pretty good evidence of having a good defense. And yes, I was broken by Peace Alliance. So much for his "sit back and watch" attitude. I've yet to make a full run as a stoat, and my defenses weren't up to their usual snuff, so we'll see how well people do once I get a chance to increase my defenses a bit.

windhound · November 21, 2007, 11:06:10 PM

Quote23.3 hours ago    You find Bryan (#268) attempting to view your army!
23.3 hours ago    You find Bryan (#268) losing a fight with your leaders!
23.3 hours ago    You find Bryan (#268) losing a fight with your leaders!
23.3 hours ago    You find Bryan (#268) attempting to view your army!
23.3 hours ago    You find Bryan (#268) losing a fight with your leaders!
13.9 hours ago    Alazar's Massive Hordes (#243) attacked you!    You held your defense and your enemy was repelled,
13.9 hours ago    You find Alazar's Massive Hordes (#243) attempting to view your army!
1.4 hours ago    Peace Alliance (#108) attacked you!    Your enemy captured
1.4 hours ago    Peace Alliance (#108) attacked you!    Your enemy captured
1.4 hours ago    Peace Alliance (#108) attacked you!    Your enemy captured
1.4 hours ago    Peace Alliance (#108) attacked you!    Your enemy captured
1.4 hours ago    Peace Alliance (#108) attacked you!    Your enemy captured
1.4 hours ago    Peace Alliance (#108) attacked you!    You held your defense and your enemy was repelled,
1.4 hours ago    Peace Alliance (#108) attacked you!    You held your defense and your enemy was repelled,
1.2 hours ago    You find another warlord viewing your stats!
1.2 hours ago    Bryan (#268) attacked you!    You held your defense and your enemy was repelled,
1.2 hours ago    Bryan (#268) attacked you!    You held your defense and your enemy was repelled,
1.2 hours ago    You find Bryan (#268) losing a fight with your leaders!
1.2 hours ago    You find Bryan (#268) losing a fight with your leaders!
1.2 hours ago    Bryan (#268) attacked you!    You held your defense and your enemy was repelled,
0.9 hours ago    Bryan (#268) attacked you!    You held your defense and your enemy was repelled,

Ignoring the leader attacks,
I count 7 successful defenses, 5 breaks since my last run
Not my fault people keep trying to break me
that qualifies my now 46% defense rate

bugger off sticker, get some more troops so you can break me more than 5 times.