Redwall: Warlords

Peace Alliance · September 29, 2006, 05:08:20 PM

How do you think the Fox race should be set up?

QuoteI would like you to address these sort of questions:

-What should the racial spell be?
example, marten has Gold Mine which gets you more money

-What should the race bonuses be?
If you don't know what those are, here's a link to how they used to be set up: http://www.redwallwarlords.com/rwl.php?action=help&guide=races

-What should the races general stratagy(s) be?

-Any other idea's as to what to do with races?

Peace Alliance · September 29, 2006, 05:18:26 PM

My main idea behind Fox is that it should be a sneaky type of race. I once had the idea that this race should have the ability to cloak it's own networth to look less then what this was. This would allow it to suddenly leap in NW and throw everyone off. So cool!

Gen. Volkov · September 29, 2006, 07:07:03 PM

That was my idea. Don't steal my idea's Peace. :-D

Peace Alliance · September 29, 2006, 08:23:13 PM

it was totally mine

Gen. Volkov · September 29, 2006, 10:14:45 PM

No, I remember this, it was an AIM convo, and I mentioned just that, the ability to mask NW. But really, I think Fox should have something better than just a NW masker. Kinda puny next to goldmine or pressgang. How about, in fitting with the sneaky theme, some sort of mass espionage spell? Or maybe some way to dissapear off the scores list altogether for a limited amount of time. Or maybe a spell that lowers the leader(not mage) ratio that is required to succeed on missions, whether offensive or internal. Like 25% or so for an hour, or a certain number of turns.

Edit: We have leaders not mages...error fixed.

White Fang · September 29, 2006, 10:19:51 PM

How about "infiltration"? Use it on a specific warlord, and--for a certain period of time--you get free espionage on them, as well as -25% required ratio on missions.

Ruddertail · September 30, 2006, 02:32:44 AM

Quote from: White Fang on September 29, 2006, 10:19:51 PM
How about "infiltration"? Use it on a specific warlord, and--for a certain period of time--you get free espionage on them, as well as -25% required ratio on missions.

Minimally benificial. NW masking might almost be better...

I like the idea of the lowered ratio required for offensive missions. Make it extend to all opponents, though, not just certain ones.

Or, a flip side of NW masking, making it have a bigger then actual NW. This would factor in to calculations of losses, so people will now take desertion when attacking. Just an idea...

Peace Alliance · October 01, 2006, 08:14:03 PM

It would be quite stupid if the only reason you finish a set in first place is because you cloaked your NW to look more then what it was... lol

I think the NW cloaking spell IS as powerfull as goldmine. Firsly, it makes it so anyone who espionages you get's false information, secondly, think of how this would work in a team playing situation. A certain clan could be sending ALL their resources over to this guy, and meanwhile he cloaks himself so nobody know's what he has, nobody suspects him... except everyone expects him 'cause he's a fox! it's perfect.

Gen. Volkov · October 01, 2006, 11:40:37 PM

So they can choose how they are cloaked? Then it is as good as goldmine, you didn't say that before.

Ruddertail · October 02, 2006, 12:00:38 AM

Quote from: Peace Alliance on October 01, 2006, 08:14:03 PM
It would be quite stupid if the only reason you finish a set in first place is because you cloaked your NW to look more then what it was... lol

Meh... true. Or, what you do is have it return inflated troop numbers on espies, and use those troop numbers when calcing NW and losses due to desertion. NW on the scores would be real, but your troops would think it was bigger, thus be scared, and desert, giving the fox an advantage - nobody wants to hit them.

Or we could go with your idea. Except if that turned out to be the only strat people would play with a fox, it'd be obvious "Fox! Cloaked NW! SMASH THEM!".

Peace Alliance · October 03, 2006, 07:34:49 PM

Well i think we could make it so every time you use the spell it lower's your NW by so much... or something... hrmmm, this is gonna take some thinking

Gen. Volkov · October 03, 2006, 08:22:05 PM

Hmm, yeah, needs some thought. Maybe a limit on how many times it can be used with the same NW. But that would be powerful. You'd need the option to raise your NW as well I think.

Peace Alliance · October 03, 2006, 11:41:23 PM

No, i don't think raising NW is in any way a fair ability... People could hold emperor on fictional NW? i donno... that doesn't sound like a fair way to get emperorship, heh.

Orcrist · November 01, 2007, 08:43:40 AM

How about foxes have a 50% bonus to espionage and 20% easier to murder, poison, etc? Then the networth falsifier could be up to 15% change and the fox could choose what he wanted his stats to look like (his false networth could be shown on the espionage screen but NOT on the actual scores screen...)

Peace Alliance · November 01, 2007, 01:12:00 PM

Stoat is meant to be the offensive leader race. Academy combined with a leader offensive bonus make it the perfect race for that.

i do like the idea of being able to set your own stats, but that could add some extremes to the game we're not prepared for, as well as it would be near impossible to program, heh