Battle for Europe

Gen. Volkov · September 06, 2007, 10:37:58 PM

What sort of research?

Yellow Eyes · September 08, 2007, 01:14:26 PM

Research to make sure that I'm as historically accurate as possible is really all that it means. Helping out to make sure names are accurate, places are accurate etc. I could also use some research into figuring out different ratios to use in the game for attacks and other such things (such as being in an ally in an allied controlled state, how much stronger you are than in an axis controlled state, and how much more damage you cause to an axis in your state, and also how many troops you would loose because of how rare it would be to find one.)

Gen. Volkov · September 08, 2007, 04:51:37 PM

I could probably help you with that then.

Yellow Eyes · March 23, 2008, 04:26:30 PM

And even more months later..I finally have a server and am deffinetly planning on getting this up and running. I just need to find a way to reach out the community. You can join the forums now, if anyone sees this again lol...http://battleforeurope.890m.com/forums/

Firetooth · April 05, 2008, 07:55:31 AM

I singed up ;)

Saladin · May 21, 2008, 05:03:45 PM

Quote from: Gen. Volkov on May 29, 2006, 10:15:59 PM
LOL. Yeah. Oh and Communism is a type of government and an economic system. In fact, it's government based on the economic system.

Communism is a economic system that abolishes all forms of government...

EDIT: I signed up too. Hope it gets up and running soon.

Shadow · May 21, 2008, 05:06:04 PM

Tell that to every communist society in the world...

Saladin · May 21, 2008, 05:07:47 PM

Quote from: Shadow on May 21, 2008, 05:06:04 PM
Tell that to every communist society in the world...

There's no such thing as a communist society in this world. The only successful one was created during the kibbutz movement...

EDIT: one instead of on.

Shadow · May 21, 2008, 05:32:06 PM

COMMUNIST China, COMMUNIST Cuba, COMMUNIST North Korea... Not ideal communism, but communism nonetheless

Saladin · May 21, 2008, 06:04:02 PM

Quote from: Shadow on May 21, 2008, 05:32:06 PM
COMMUNIST China, COMMUNIST Cuba, COMMUNIST North Korea... Not ideal communism, but communism nonetheless

Correction: Not communist idealism, and still not communism. As Volkov said; Communism is an economy; China, Cuba, North Korea, and the CCCP are (were) all capitalist.

Shadow · May 21, 2008, 06:13:28 PM

ideal communism and communist idealism are two very different things. Ideal communism is what you were describing earlier, and it has never been and will never be achieved because of basic human nature. Communist idealism isn't even a term, although the closest I could come to describing it would be oxymoron.

Saladin · May 21, 2008, 06:35:22 PM

Quote from: Shadow on May 21, 2008, 06:13:28 PM
ideal communism and communist idealism are two very different things. Ideal communism is what you were describing earlier, and it has never been and will never be achieved because of basic human nature. Communist idealism isn't even a term, although the closest I could come to describing it would be oxymoron.

But these governments don't even adhere to basic communist ideals. How can a country be communist if there is no presence of communism? Take China. Its government is a Socialist Republic. While it is branded "socialist," it is actually free market socialism: socialism with capitalist aspects. Neither the government nor the economy is in anyone communist, and I mean that there is not a trace of communism in those countries. Neither are the social programs. How can a country be communist is there is a complete absence of it???

*This is not a contradiction.

Shadow · May 21, 2008, 06:49:41 PM

Quote from: Saladin on May 21, 2008, 06:35:22 PM
Quote from: Shadow on May 21, 2008, 06:13:28 PM
ideal communism and communist idealism are two very different things. Ideal communism is what you were describing earlier, and it has never been and will never be achieved because of basic human nature. Communist idealism isn't even a term, although the closest I could come to describing it would be oxymoron.

But these governments don't even adhere to basic communist ideals. How can a country be communist if there is no presence of communism? Take China. Its government is a Socialist Republic. While it is branded "socialist," it is actually free market socialism: socialism with capitalist aspects. Neither the government nor the economy is in anyone communist, and I mean that there is not a trace of communism in those countries. Neither are the social programs. How can a country be communist is there is a complete absence of it???

*This is not a contradiction.

Saying "this is not a contradiction" doesn't make it so ;)

Communism has evolved over the years. The thing that makes those places basically communist is the lack of democracy - people call anything undemocratic communist. I will agree that the economy is China is mainly capitalist, but the structure of the government is based on control of information, which makes it communist by the standard layman's definition today.

I don't know much about it though, Volkov would be the one to talk to.

Saladin · May 21, 2008, 07:32:22 PM

... If you think that lack of democracy is what communism is, then you have some learning to do.

The "This is not a contradiction" was referring to the comment on free market socialism. Many uninformed people believe it is, but if you think it through, it's completely feasible.

Shadow · May 21, 2008, 08:52:07 PM

Quote from: Saladin on May 21, 2008, 07:32:22 PM
... If you think that lack of democracy is what communism is, then you have some learning to do.

The "This is not a contradiction" was referring to the comment on free market socialism. Many uninformed people believe it is, but if you think it through, it's completely feasible.

I dont believe lack of democracy = communism, I am saying that that is what most people think of when they hear the term.