Meat or no meat?

windhound · December 27, 2004, 09:03:38 PM

:P I remember that
he cried if he couldnt have his chicken mc nuggets, as toxic as they are

meh. I've been vegi since birth, and proud of it :D

Sonoras · December 27, 2004, 09:13:32 PM

Umm.....alright....

Scarwake · December 27, 2004, 11:57:49 PM

I nulled because I eat meat, but I actually went without any meats at all for 3 days until I had a late night hunger and I went out to Wendy's and got a chicken sandwich....Soooo I was doin good then I dropped it....but I'd like to go back to veganism..Much healthier way of life...

Wolf Snare · December 28, 2004, 03:06:23 AM

heh..

This may sound stupid, and I didn't read most of the topic, but really..

What do you vegetarians really eat, if not meat?

I cant see eating a meal that doesnt involve meat... honestly.. It's sad.

oh and btw, I'm not a vegitarian.

Gen. Volkov · December 29, 2004, 10:54:44 AM

We couldn't guess Wolf Snare. :P Vegan is not a healthy way to live. Partially Vegetarian, like you drink milk and such, can be healthy, but you get some things from meat that you can't get from plants. SOME animal fat is essential to be healthy.

Scarwake · December 29, 2004, 01:52:58 PM

Actually you can get everything an animal has to offer from plants. It just takes more of a plant to get the same that you'd get from meat. You can get protein, iron, fiber, calcium, and everything from plants and plant products.

Sure it takes 3x the effort to build muscle mass, but if you're an animal lover then you've not much to worry about...

Tea_of_Persia · December 29, 2004, 02:44:01 PM

You know, for every pound of beef a cow produces it takes 16 pounds of grain?
I could have that wrong, I'll look it up.

Aqualis · December 29, 2004, 07:53:33 PM

Is that over its entire lifetime or is that how much it must eat to maintain it?

calria · December 29, 2004, 08:04:45 PM

Quote from: ScarwakeI nulled because I eat meat, but I actually went without any meats at all for 3 days until I had a late night hunger and I went out to Wendy's and got a chicken sandwich....Soooo I was doin good then I dropped it....but I'd like to go back to veganism..Much healthier way of life...

*snicker* I know why you want to go back to being vegan...

I tried being vegan for like a month a while back... it seriously almost killed me. I just couldn't stand it.
So then the next summer I did Atkins. I figured it evened things out. Funny thing is, I lost the same amount of weight with both.

windhound · January 02, 2005, 10:12:27 PM

Atkins is horrible.. so unbalanced

As said, you can get everything you need from yer vegies, you just have to watch.. though you need to watch with meat too..

www.peta.org
extremely bias site, but some good info.. Tea of Persia is right in that it takes quite a bit of grain to feed animals..

Quote?Valuable water and land resources are squandered for meat production, while the planet?s 800 million malnourished people could be fed if these resources were used to produce plant foods." ?More than 840 million people in the world are malnourished, yet over 70 percent of the U.S. grain harvest and 80 percent of its corn harvest is fed to farmed animals. The grain consumed by animals could feed 800 million hungry people, according to Cornell University research."

cloud · January 02, 2005, 10:57:36 PM

"beef, it's whats for dinner."

my mom's on the atkins diet, and my dad's an ex body builder, so both my parents are like uber protein, low carb ppl.
But honestly I eat 4-7 times a day, and usually 2-4 of those include some kind of meat, and I'm still not gaining weight... so ive come to the conclusion that if i became a vegitarian, I'd die. honestly.

Gen. Volkov · January 03, 2005, 03:50:24 PM

Erm windy.. the people who make statements like that overlook one eensy little thing... the grain fed to animals is not fit for human consumption. Also, the malnourished people result more from their own governments problems than true lack of food. And being a vegan or any other type of vegetarain is all well and good for us rich americans, but the truly malnourished can't afford to eat the special foods and such that we can to keep healthy. Its really easier for them to just eat meat, and veggies combined. And anyway, that's really the best diet for anyone. Vegetarianism unless for religious reasons, is really not a good thing. It is not healthier in any appreciable way and the true impact on the enviroment is negligible.

windhound · January 03, 2005, 04:07:49 PM

heh.
go wander PETA for a while Volkov
Eating animals is one thing, their treatment before they reach your plate is another thing entirely

The fact that the grain may not be edible for humans is also irrelivent. For just a bit more cost the farmers could make the grain edible, but will not bother because its just going into feed animals, which in itself is stupid, 'cause you're indirectly eating poor quality grain when you eat meat.

It can be much healthier to be vegitarian, 'cause many diseases are out there that lurk in meat and seafood, but not in things found in a vegitarian diet. Scientists believe that the amount of antibiotics and drugs ccommercial farmers feed their animals to keep them alive is making strains of viruses and diseases more tolorant of the cures, and are creating super-bacteria that is immune to current methods of treatment..

so yeah..
meat is a luxury in many third world countries anyhow, 'cause most of the people cannot afford to slaughter what they rely on to help them survive...

Gen. Volkov · January 03, 2005, 04:30:23 PM

Oh I agree with the humane treatment of animals. But alot of PETA's arguments are humanist Bullcrud.

RazorClaw · January 03, 2005, 06:12:17 PM

Meat tastes better, gets more protein with less consumed. And sure, some animals are mistreated, which is bad, but around here most people actually put coverings on livestock and have special foodbins and stuff. Pet hamburgers, hehe.