Dead

[Almkman]

 *38 ? Sparticus (#15) 0 $2,070,428 D.E. (War) Stoat Southsward

[Deathclaw]

 He declared war on KM and Kilk, Wolf Riders, and Elite Powers helped kill him with Wolf Riders getting the kill. DE declared war on KM so he was killed for it.

[Kilkenne]

 First blood...

Congrats to Wolf Riders for getting the kill, and thanks to EP for helping me out with taking him down below 100  so he was killable...

Cheers.

[Sparticus]

 He broke the alliance, I asked him for peace 10 times, he rejected.  He attacked us in order to cripple, not for land grabs.  He was also planning on "Cutting the head of D.E.", so I tried to kill him first.

I can send you all messages in which, Km says his clan is second to himself and he only cares about beiong in the top three.  

He is land hungry, that is why he broke our alliance, and considers D.E. a threat to his place as number one.

This is a game, and I take it with a light heart, yet people should not post on things they have no idea about.  Well you can, but It will make you look stupid.

I have given my clan to a friend, he will still make it a democracy.

I will be back in the same position in a week, the game is still fresh.

You can kill me, perhaps a few members, yet democracy will not die.  As long as men die, liberty will never perish!

[RazorClaw]

 Shutting up so as not to encourage idiocy on these forums.

[Sparticus]

 Oh! REALLY!  I'm sorry, please as the leader of D.E. tell me what you did?  I know what happened, so does the members of Km.

We allied, and Km broke the alliance.  Ask him, I'm sure you will be well informed.


Seconldy, what treaty?  Can I see it please?  Where is my signature?

There was no treaty, only a failed alliance, which I tried to save ten times.

Km admitted to the planned assasination, so there is no debate.

The problem was, it was three hits on us, 7 on them, 12 on us, 20 on them, etc, etc.  I told Km this would happen, yet he did not care.

[RazorClaw]

 Shutting up, so as to not encourage idiocy on these forums.

[Sparticus]

 This is a wate of time, this is a popularity contest, not a debate.  Please tell me what happened.

Who broke the alliance?
What treaty was made?
Who attacked first?
Who planned the assasination?

[RazorClaw]

 Shutting up so as not to encourage idiocy on these forums.  

[Kilkenne]

 Razor, cut it out.

I don't feel like dealing with this idiot...

He is a multi. He admitted it, his clans are both shams, and he is bitter because he lost.

He lied to Neo and others about me making a "conspiracy"...

Just leave it alone everyone, let the fool flame his heart out, we all know who's right here.

[Sparticus]

You broke the alliance
I misspoke about the treaty, but we were allied
You did
Kilk, I believe, in retaliation for your large amounts of attacks.

OMG! YOU"RE SERIOUS.  Ask Km, no really do it, I will post our conversations in another post.  I tried ten times to salvage the alliance.

I don't understand the second part.

Km hit us first with two attacks, but good try any way.

So you admit it, good, debate over.  I knew the breaking of the treaty would lead to this, it was amatter of time.  Km hits us twice, then we hit you more, then you hit us even more, etc.etc, etc, etc.  Km knew this, but did not care.  People should look at the history of attacks, your numbers were as great as ours.

I even proposed a treaty, a hit limit, yet Km never replied.

You are a puppet, nothing more.  You have no idea what is going on.  

[Sparticus]

 
Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:51:00 -0800From Kilk''s Marauders (#28) (?)
Unfortunately this message is none too pleasant.

I can no longer deny my clan members the land source that is your clan. There is not room enough for us both...

This is no declaration of war, but I must break our alliance.

If you wish to remain allied with me personally (Horde to Horde) I am willing to negotiate those terms.

Regretfully-

~Kilkenne, Emperor of the Northlands


-Hmmmm sounds like some one likes land more than peace!  And no treaty proposed, ver strange eh razor, you puppet!





I sent Km this message

"We are 12 players, you can attack us, yet you will not rise higher. More or less, we will be in a dead lock.
Again, if this is a matter of too many players, then lose your alliance with peace alliance.

We should not have to be victim to your many allies aswell.

I do not want a war, and i think diplomacy is the best way, surely you must have a clan member limit that will be best for all of us?"

he replied:

"Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:13:06 -0800From Kilk''s Marauders (#28) (?)
We''ve been in this situation more times than you I believe...Early game deadlocks are virtually non-existant. Usually one always comes out on top...

I never said anything about Peace Alliance or a war. Peace and I have a personal agreement, and I will honor that.

There is no clan member limit that is best for anyone at this point. Do what you will with your numbers."


Again, failed at peace!  I wonder is it my fault or Km's.  Wait, let's be more logical, Km was here for X amount of years.  Therefor he must be right, stupid me.



Last message I sent to Km
"You know what our clan policies are, you were aware of them from the start, and you agreed to it.

Therefor, I can no longer act this way, I have to stand up for our clans ideology, voted by the people for the people.

If you attack us, then it is you that will force a retaliation, not I.

Again,before this gets out of hand, think about your actions.


*And the power they took from the people will return to the people*"




-Here I tried desperately to save the situation, yet it was too late.



As for Km, you are the one flaming, you just called me an idiot.


This was a pm from razorclaw

Without clouding the forums, you're bitter, I'm bEtter, too bad for you.


Please do not Pm me.  Again, flaming.  



I have made my case, and the rest is a popularity contest.

[Deathclaw]

 Sparticus, you are just bitter for being killed and knowing your clan cannot hold up to more experienced players. To try to salvage an alliance 10 times and not see that it isn't working is pretty dense thinking.  

[Sparticus]

 So you agree he started the war, thankyou.

All moral players, join D.E.

There you the people have the power!

The game is new, I can get back in a week.



Now think, who will ally with some one who was the attacker?  I dunno, I guess you do have a point, I mean all those lan parties you must host with free chocolate milk, must give you an edge with getting people to ally with you.  I guess Democracy, and liberty and freewill are second to that kind of stuff.  



am not a dictator....I am not in that business, I want to help clan members if possible.  We all want to help each other, human beings are like that.  We want to live by each others happiness, not each others miseries.  This clan can be free and beautiful, and Redwall is rich and plentiful and can provide for everyone.  But........we have lost the way, ....the greed of clans has fought it's way into our lives, they trap us with there hate, starves us with there blood shed, and cripple us with there fear.  We are victims of a system that make men torture....to us victims I say:  do not despair, the day of greed is passing, the bitterness of clans that fear the way.  The day of the dictator's will die and the power they took from the people will return to the people....and so long as men die liberty will never perish......  

   Soldiers, don't give your selves to these clans, men who despise you, who enslave you, tired you, regiment your lives.  Clans who TELL YOU, what to do, what think, how to feel.  DON'T GIVE YOUR SELVES TO THESE UNNATURAL CLANS, with there machine minds and machine hearts, you are not machine you are MEN!

   Soldiers don't fight for slavery, fight for liberty!  In our clan, you the people have the power, the power to think, to feel, to live, TO MAKE THIS CLAN FREE AND BEAUTIFUL.  THEN IN THE NAME OF DEMOCRACY, LET US USE THAT POWER, LET US ALL UNITE!  Let us use this power to fight for these things, the things that let us be individuals, that give us security and peace of mind.  By the PROMISE of these things brutes have risen to power.  BUT THEY LIE, they don't fulfill there promises, they never will.  DICTATORS FREE THEM SELVES, BUT THEY ENSLAVE THE PEOPLE!  NOW LET USE FIGHT TO FULFILL THAT PROMISE, to do away with clan barriers and greed, let us fight for a clan of reason, where voting ,and debating are not just words, they are our RIGHT!

                      SOLDIERS, IN THE NAME OF DEMOCRACY, LET US ALL UNITE!   




On a side not, I will not play again.  Hannibal, myself, and Caesar (my brother), have decided to give the clan to Juska.  He is loyal, unlike Nohc, who leaked information to Km.

[Deathclaw]

 Your clan is weak and ineffecient. KM and EC only do whats best for the clan, like fighting DE. You hit DE once and they attack you to the max, so the threat must be eliminated. Simple as that. If a clanmember is unsatisfied, they voice their complaint and are listened to. If you side with me, join Elite Coalition. Message me in game at #23 for the password.