Hacked, again.

[wolf bite]

 Ereptor Nov 21, 2003

I will post this conversation i had earlier tonight with fenix.

Fenix2080: hey hey
EreptorTheGreat: merc is hella pissed
EreptorTheGreat: so is kilk
EreptorTheGreat: peace has yet to find out
Fenix2080: yeah
EreptorTheGreat: geeze
Fenix2080: i heard they were hacked
EreptorTheGreat: yep
EreptorTheGreat: i think beatles
EreptorTheGreat: not sure
Fenix2080: yeah
Fenix2080: it is
Fenix2080: he admitted to me
Fenix2080: he said he used three accounts
Fenix2080: to murder kilk merc and peace
Fenix2080: then i remembered
Fenix2080: he bragged before hand
Fenix2080: that he has everyone's password
Fenix2080: from duels
EreptorTheGreat: holy #$%^
EreptorTheGreat: r u serious ?
Fenix2080: yeah
EreptorTheGreat: mind if i pass this along to retto ?
Fenix2080: what can he do?
EreptorTheGreat: or post it ?
Fenix2080: nothing
Fenix2080: no point
Fenix2080: just change your password

Well there you have it. That is enough for me. If i were you guys and you played duels and had the same password. CHANGE IT NOW!!!!!1

http://www.redwallwarlords.com/forums/index.php?a...es,and,password



Wolf Bite

[sh0e]

 

and is now using a proxy to get around his ban?

im sorry for being a stickler but thats just a bit unfair
you are denying him the right to respond to forum posts that speak negatively of him and using that to attack his integrity?

and i was not aware of that.. it does make more sense if it was from the forums

[bjornredtail]

 

And that statement of integrity from someone that recently hacked our game and is now using a proxy to get around his ban?

Would that not also appily to Josh as well?

[wolf bite]

 My point about the using a proxy was a bit self serving, to that I agree. I was pointing out what I feel is a lack of respect he has to do things the proper way. I was urged, against my better judgment, after this happened to talk to Beatles and hear his rational explanation. But all he did was tell me the reasons he hates me and that he deleted me intentionally, along with it seems 19 other people, unlike what he had posted. He had is chance to deal in an adult way, and instead proxyed an account and evaded the issue, but made attacks on me that conflict with his earlier statements.

Just a demonstration of Beatles character.

* Installs bigger firewall because he has had access to everyone?s IP addresses. *


Wolf Bite

[How much?]

 

along with it seems 19 other people

The latest in a monologue of lies and slander. Why does anyone with a sane mind listen to him?
p.s. to tech savvy people: 1. invision uses md5 as well, 2. the exploit does not allow SQL injection, invalidating most of the lunatic accusations.

[edit] Extra thought: apart from being an insiduous slander, this sentence doesn't even make sense:

* Installs bigger firewall because he has had access to everyone?s IP addresses. *

[Peace Alliance]

 wolf, i believe beatles would most likely be keeping his feelings about you to himself had you dealt with this situation in a better manner.

that manner being, as i told vera earlier. you having deleted him, told retto, had the game fixed, and whatever you needed to do to make the game safe and beatlesless, without having gone on the forums to tell people what a bad person he is. had you dealt with this situation and left out the part where you tryed to make everyone hate beatles with you, then would there really be an issue here? would beatles be using a proxy to get past a ban and defend his name? would there be angry lil solf snares biting at your legs?

see, it would be better for all of us if, in the future, you did what you had to do to deal with things without the part where you ruin peoples names on the forums. you do it to josh to... only with him you have more evidence against his character, heh... you also did it to me way back when but i'm not sposed to dwell on that.

[Veranor]

Ereptor Nov 21, 2003

I will post this conversation i had earlier tonight with fenix.

Fenix2080: hey hey
EreptorTheGreat: merc is hella pissed
EreptorTheGreat: so is kilk
EreptorTheGreat: peace has yet to find out
Fenix2080: yeah
EreptorTheGreat: geeze
Fenix2080: i heard they were hacked
EreptorTheGreat: yep
EreptorTheGreat: i think beatles
EreptorTheGreat: not sure
Fenix2080: yeah
Fenix2080: it is
Fenix2080: he admitted to me
Fenix2080: he said he used three accounts
Fenix2080: to murder kilk merc and peace
Fenix2080: then i remembered
Fenix2080: he bragged before hand
Fenix2080: that he has everyone's password
Fenix2080: from duels
EreptorTheGreat: holy #$%^
EreptorTheGreat: r u serious ?
Fenix2080: yeah
EreptorTheGreat: mind if i pass this along to retto ?
Fenix2080: what can he do?
EreptorTheGreat: or post it ?
Fenix2080: nothing
Fenix2080: no point
Fenix2080: just change your password

Well there you have it. That is enough for me. If i were you guys and you played duels and had the same password. CHANGE IT NOW!!!!!1

http://www.redwallwarlords.com/forums/index.php?a...es,and,password



Wolf Bite

So we're quoting Josh (quoted by Ereptor) to prove Beatles is a cheater?

Hmm, Josh... are we talking about the same Josh condemned in nearly all the posts made by you in the past few weeks? The same josh who said this to me shortly after the "BEATLES IS TEH HAXXER" incident:

Aus: hi
Josh: sup aus
Aus: nm
Aus: you?
Josh: just hacked rwl again
Josh: making retto look stupid

[IM names edited out]

Wolf, you claim Josh is a liar and a cheater. I have shown that he often jokes and places credit where it may not be due. Now you are using the words of Josh from nearly a year ago to condemn another today. Well what is it? Is Josh a liar? Or is Josh telling us the truth and helping to make this game safe for the rest of us.

Now, there was a term tossed around during this past election, I think it was used to describe individuals who often change their position on certain issues when it will help them. Ah yes, "Flip-Flopper" that's it!  

[Holby]

 The last 2 pages have been spent attempting to disprove parts of points Wolf has made. You've completely forgotten the fact that Beatles exploited a bug, made a mess out of the game, deleted Wolf out of spite, and continued to circumvent his ban. Explain to me how this was right, how his motives were for our good? They weren't, it was wrong, something Beatles won't admit.
You can't defend the wrong staring at you in the face.

[Ereptor]

 Well looks like i am involved.  Looks outside the game i think beatles is a cool guy.  What he has to learn is what he did was wrong not matter what his motive was.  Beatles is a cool guy that made a mistake.  Whether he can learn from it now or later is up to him.  Other than that i don't have anything else to say except stop the personal attacks because they only increase the drama around here.  Lord knows we love it....heh heh

[Peace Alliance]

 I'm sure they haven't forgotten what beatles did, holby. The reason they've spent so much time trying to disprove wolf bites points is because wolf bites points degrade beatles, and regardless of his actions, they believe him to be a good person...  

[wolf bite]

 As Josh is a good person that does bad things, so is Beatles. Right. Agreed. Never disagreed.

But they have to take responsibility for their actions when they are wrong, or they will repeat them. And there is my point that seems to have been getting lost. Beatles has a character flaw that allows him to justify wrongful actions. He did overstep. That is not contested. But he seems to see nothing wrong with that and unless that is pointed out to him and people let him know that doing so will not be tolerated, then he will repeat over and over.

My intent is not to degrade the person, as some posts seem to think, but to bring to light the above statement.


Wolf Bite

[Veranor]

 

The last 2 pages have been spent attempting to disprove parts of points Wolf has made. You've completely forgotten the fact that Beatles exploited a bug, made a mess out of the game, deleted Wolf out of spite, and continued to circumvent his ban. Explain to me how this was right, how his motives were for our good? They weren't, it was wrong, something Beatles won't admit.
You can't defend the wrong staring at you in the face.

How did he "mess up the game" besides Deleting wolf and putting some food on the market (which I bought and deleted)?

The reason I haven't made such an argument is because I do agree that he overstepped. I just felt Wolf was being overly harsh and  bringing up old half-baked arguments to prove Beatles is an evil person. He may say that was not his intention but a lot of people here will interpret it as such.

[How much?]

 I understand perfectly well that it was wrong to delete Wolf. It was meant to be a prank, to draw attention to what was happening. (Nobody listened for a day, then I deleted Wolf.) I feel there is a distinction between different kinds of wrongs. It's the same in school and life. If they catch you for a drunk and disorderly, you get a week or a fine*, if they catch you with a smoking shotgun and a dead body, you're lucky with 10 years. I don't feel that my prank justifies all the hate and intentional defamation of my character (whatever Wolf says, that is what he is doing) that I have been subjected to.

From The Poceedings Of The Committee To Evaluate Wolf Bite's Sad Eyes:
"... It is easy to look with sad eyes on your wrongdoer, if you know well that your friends, admiring you the more for your stance, will belabor him doubly for you."

[wolf bite]

 A prank is something you do playfully to a friend. Like short-sheeting his bed or giving him gum that turns his mouth black. You both laugh about it years to come.

A dirty trick is scratching someone?s car or egging his home. It is not done to be playful, but with malice. The intent is to harm.

And that is what I am pointing out. Per our conversation, your intent was to get me back for 2 things way in the past that I had nothing to do with either of them. I also feel that you wanted not to be helpful to RWL, but to point out flaws excessively to make Retto look bad. And of course nothing here raises to the standard of murder, no one said it has. But then just because there was no major crime committed, it does not excuse your actions.

If pointing out the actions you have actually done makes you look bad, then it is not I that has made you look bad, but your own actions put into perspective.


Wolf Bite

[bjornredtail]

 

If pointing out the actions you have actually done makes you look bad, then it is not I that has made you look bad, but your own actions put into perspective.

You are doing far more than pointing out actions that happened. You are speculateing. You said that Beatles copied down everyones information, without any cause to make you belive he would have any reason, or any evidance that he acctually copied the information. You failed to tell the complete truth about the supposed incident where Beatles decrypted MD5 sumed (which is impossable to do in any way besides brute force, BTW) passwords and used them to access RWL.

Holby:
You ask us to defend something, yet discourage us from doing so all in the same post.  Many times we have explained this in this topic. Although in the course of argument with Wolf Bite, it still applies to your point.

Addationally, various issues on our side have been ignored completely, such as watchlist.txt.