The RWL opinions for president!!!

[RazorClaw]

 Well, if everybody tells me, "They've got UMDs", if I've got evidence that they do, if I've got evidence that he's paying terrorists, and is he's breaking his conditions of surrender to a previous war, isn't that enough justification? Oh, ntm he was murdering millions of innocent people...

[Aqualis]

 I don't think we should be medaling in the affairs of other countries at all. However, Saddam threatened us, brook a treaty with us, ignored the orders of you all-powerful and un-impeachable UN, murdered and tourtured millions of his own people, and funded terrorists. He deserved to be eliminated. Now that he has, there are thousands of his loyal supporters attacking our troops in Iraq. They are terrorists as well, there are not and organized army. We cannot just figure out where their base is and eliminate it. Sometimes they hide in civilain areas, and sometimes civilians get killed.

You seem to have the idea that we are hunting down and killing civilians. You certainly give that impression. Maybe you want to give that impression in order to give america a bad name. After all, you dont seem to like us very much. But any man in his right mind would not hunt down and kill civilians. The world would not allow it. He would be throw out of office. He would be throw in jail. Just because he's President doesn't mean he can do what he wants. You seem to be implying that. The ver fact that he's still in office is proof he's not killing innocent people.

I don't care what the UN plans to do. But I don't want them intefering with the soveranty of my country. They have no right to interfere with our laws. They have no right to violate our constitution. They have no right to impose a world tax on us. They may be trying to help people. Yay. Great. Let them do it. But don't let them impose their anti-constitutional laws on me in my country.

Some times diplamacy doesn't work, won't work, no matter how much time you give. You have to be able to recognize when that is. This was one of those times. Saddam wasn't about to give in to UN demands, no matter how much you wish to believe he was just so you can bash America all the more. Unaduturated hatred of the US is no reason to let a tyranical dictator go on toruring his people and threatening us.

The point of an analogy is to simplify things to make them more understandable. Of course the world can't be simplified to a game, but it helps provide understanding. Just because they say your wrong doesn't mean that it's wrong.

What we are doing in Iraq is working. Just because it's not moving as fast as you want it to doesn't mean we're doing a baad job. It took years after destroying Nazi Germany before we were finally able to leave. If we just left now how would that help the Iraqi people in any way?

[wolf bite]

 Oh wow, good post Aqualis.

One slight correction though. ?The fact that he's still in office is proof he's not killing innocent people.? No, it is an indication not a fact. The fact that he is not is stated in the ways we have operated and the tight watches done on our actions. Thus it is a fact that he is not aiming nor intentionally harming innocent people.

I agree, we should keep out of world politics as much as possible, unless we are forced into it for our own defense, such as in this case. And I agree with everything else in that post, I could not have said it better.


Wolf Bite

[~>John<~]

 

their milennium goals

Teh say thats wha tthe want to do. Tell me one time the U.N. has workd in the last, say 10 years

[Peace Alliance]

 

Some times diplamacy doesn't work, won't work, no matter how much time you give

Wrong.

I simply don't believe that.

I don't believe that there can never be, any POSSIBLE way for a peacefull solution. There will always be a way.


Now i'd just like to point something out. the reason i keep bringing up the UN, is because its the symbol of international law. Believe it or not, US law does NOT equal international law. your laws, aren'y my laws, neither are they iraqs laws. so, thats why there is a system of international laws. the UN, is an organisation that makes and enforces these laws. the laws aren't based on the US constitution, but rather the law systems of many countrys, and the beliefs of many nations. Do you honestly not think there are other points of view in the world? is the US point of view the only one that should be considered? I certainly hope not, patriot or not, you have to at least aknowledge the fact that other people have different beliefs, and that they're intitled to them.

you seem to be getting the idea that i don't like the US? well, to some extent your right. there are a lot of things i don't like about my southern neibhors. but that doesn't mean that i'm out to prove the US as evil, right now i'm just speaking my mind, and trying to explain to you why i have the opinions that i do. I have a hard time supporting such a right wing nation. the left wing partys in the united states are almost equal to the right wing partys in canada.

Regardless of how he handled the war in iraq, i don't like bush for other reasons. its because he simply conflicts with my point of view. I have an increadibly hard time liking a man who has stopped all US shipments of condoms to africa, so he can sit back and watch the aids problem increase. i have a heck of a hard time watching a nation devide his upper class, with its lower class by more and more every year, and i have a heck of a time watching the poor struggle without health care. I'm left wing, thats why i don't like bush, not because of some deep rooted hatred towards the united states.

I never thought there would be instant success in iraq. I don't think there is an easy answer. you say that bush is doing a good job in iraq? and that he's done a good thing for the middle east. well, i tell you that all he's done is increase anti-american sentiments, and cause more unrest. meanwhile innocent people die for bush's corprate cause.

[Aqualis]

 

Now i'd just like to point something out. the reason i keep bringing up the UN, is because its the symbol of international law. Believe it or not, US law does NOT equal international law. your laws, aren'y my laws, neither are they iraqs laws. so, thats why there is a system of international laws. the UN, is an organisation that makes and enforces these laws. the laws aren't based on the US constitution, but rather the law systems of many countrys, and the beliefs of many nations. Do you honestly not think there are other points of view in the world? is the US point of view the only one that should be considered? I certainly hope not, patriot or not, you have to at least aknowledge the fact that other people have different beliefs, and that they're intitled to them.

You missinterpret my post. I didn't say that my country was the only one that matters. I said I don't want other countries interfering with the affairs of mine.

[Peace Alliance]

 ... :blink:

please


tell me


i'm not the only one

who sees the hypocracy!

*staggers to the floor. becomes weak and cold*

[Aqualis]

 I wondered if you would point that out. There's a difference.

Saddam was a terrorist. He killed and tourtured his own people. Bush has not. Sure, civialians have been killed, but they weren't intentional. It's a war. I was time that Saddam was deposed. I've given the reasons before.

[Peace Alliance]

 bush meddled in other peoples affairs, while lying to his people. furthermore he invoked an act that takes the freedom away from his own people.

sure, he's not as bad as sadam. but what your saying is that countrys should only meddles in other countrys affairs, if they, by thier morals systems, see the other country is doing wrongs.

well everyone has their own moral system. and everyone is entitled to it. should the communists be allowed to meddle in US systems just because the americans don't believe in a system that rewards everyone equally? their beliefs are that people deserve the same. and the americans believe in capitalism and personal gain... are communists allowed to meddle in american affairs?

[wolf bite]

 Propaganda!  Gee people hear one thing reported or a commentary and don?t use the facts.

You say Bush lied to his people. When, where? Just because other people that don?t use the facts make up conspiracy theory that contradict the president, does not mean the president lied.

You say that Bush stopped a shipment of condoms to Africa so he could sit and watch the aid problem increase. Who, what when where why? First I have never heard of this. Next was it the president or the USA. Then what was the reason for the stopping of shipment? It is an insult to jump to the conclusion that he had a want to increases a deadly illness.

You say Bush invoked acts to take away the freedoms of his people. Not really. Our fourth amendment rights are some of the strongest rights given to our people in the world. He does not have the power without a constitutional amendment to change it. All the act does is lessen the amount of verifiable evidence that the government needs in order to get things like a wiretap for those suspected of intent to terrorize. And in doing so he has probably saved thousands of lifes in the deterrent of bombings. Frankly, had the bombings increased because of his lack of guts to fight it, we would be upset at him.


Wolf Bite

[Peace Alliance]

 bush lied because he said there were WMD's in iraq, and there aren't. simple as that, its a lie. i didn't make that up, i'm sure you could research this and find a direct quote of him saying that in 5 minutes.

You say that Bush stopped a shipment of condoms to Africa so he could sit and watch the aid problem increase. Who, what when where why? First I have never heard of this. Next was it the president or the USA. Then what was the reason for the stopping of shipment? It is an insult to jump to the conclusion that he had a want to increases a deadly illness.

again, i'm not going to do your research for you. but this issue was brought up in my law class yesterday from the news paper. and i don't know about the american media, but in canada we aren't alowed to print lies in the news paper. it said that since bush believes in abstanence untill marrage, that there should be no need for condoms in iraq. so, the US contribution to the condoms being sent to iraq has halted because of him, and the AIDS issue in africa has increased.  

[Aqualis]

 The only way that one country should be able to change the laws of another is if they invade and take over. We invaded Iraq, we get to make the laws. If the UN wants to change our laws, they're gonna have to invade us. That's what I meant. I should have been clearer. I seem to be having a problem with that lately.

[wolf bite]

 Peace,

Since the best spies in the world from many countries all told Bush that there was WMD in Iraq, then he did not lie to restate what he was told.

Surely the democrats would have jumped on such a strange thing such as Bush being against the use of condoms. It is not my responsibility to find what I don?t think exists. Besides, if I did a search for ?Bush and condoms? I think I would get a lot of the wrong type of sites.

Maybe a shipment was stopped, maybe not. If there was do we know that it was it Bush that stopped it and why? It would merely be an assumption that he thought he was deterring premarital sex in a different country. I have yet to see him even get involved stopping the condom in schools program or the free clinics. Simply that is so ridiculous.


Wolf Bite

[Peace Alliance]

 about 15,000 iraqi CIVILIANS dead from war
about 3,500 killed in september 11 attack.

i failed math...

[~>John<~]

 about 0 sources peace has given......about 0 posts hes made that dont need sources.

I have a 100% in math.