lolBots -- The random account take over explained

[Durza]

that is the problem with text you lose the body language

[Sevz]

Well Durza, sacking is a very bad thing towards balancing the game. It punishes anyone who is either good or has built up over the month. It is impossible to block troop attacks (as a whole) and spending all your money daily so someone can't effortlessly steal it is their dumb solution. The way I see it there's very little difference to losing it all in 1 shot or 50 shots. Your money is being stolen by someone who has no advantageous setup or better method it just comes as a reward for them landgrabbing.

It's not that I don't want to help because I'd happily take over the coding and make the place 50x better overnight. Facts are Shadow wants things running a specific way that he can abuse. His track record is 0/zero wins since I've been around. 1 time he tried really hard but I showed him. Since then I've seen lots of little corrupt steps to make things convenient.

[Gen. Volkov]

Well Durza, sacking is a very bad thing towards balancing the game. It punishes anyone who is either good or has built up over the month. It is impossible to block troop attacks (as a whole) and spending all your money daily so someone can't effortlessly steal it is their dumb solution. The way I see it there's very little difference to losing it all in 1 shot or 50 shots. Your money is being stolen by someone who has no advantageous setup or better method it just comes as a reward for them landgrabbing.

I find this funny coming from someone who has happily used steal and sack for a very long time. You're just mad because people sacked you this round.

It's not that I don't want to help because I'd happily take over the coding and make the place 50x better overnight.

I've said this before Sevah. If you really believe you could make a better game, then do it. Get a site, use the open source promi code, make all your changes, and then let the public be the judge. Otherwise, you can make your suggestions and if they admins accept them, great, if not, too bad. Same as everyone else. If you aren't going to do either of those things, then you can just cram it, because I'm tired of reading your frothing at the mouth anti-Shadow rants. If you can make a better game, then prove it. Otherwise, please just shut up.

Facts are Shadow wants things running a specific way that he can abuse. His track record is 0/zero wins since I've been around. 1 time he tried really hard but I showed him. Since then I've seen lots of little corrupt steps to make things convenient.

I don't think that is accurate for Turbo, and I know it's not accurate for reg.

[Sevz]

He's not denying it.

And see what happens when I suggest changes be made to sack? You have the nerve to insult me about it.

When will come a time when I won't be sacked? Is there some gap where I can speak the blunt truth on this subject without being accused of ulterior motives? Are you really gonna be this much of an unreasonable SOB or are you genuinely this stupid?

[Gen. Volkov]

He doesn't need to deny it, because it's stupid.

You aren't suggesting changes about sack, you are whining about it and not making any concrete suggestions. I can't tell if you want sack power reduced or if you just want it eliminated entirely. Make an actual suggestion, and I won't make such comments about it.

Dude, I was sacked every single day this round. If you have resources, there will never be a time where you aren't sacked. However, given how weak sack really is, it's not going to affect you as much as you claim, unless you totally suck at the game or are clanned with unlimited attacks. Oh, and no, Sevah, unless you radically change your behavior, there will not come a time when you are not accused of having ulterior motives. You rarely say anything for the general good of the game. You had your chance, and more than had your chance as beta tester to actually talk about improvements or bug fixes or whatever. You didn't. The only time you seem to say anything is when it directly affects you.

Frankly, I'm just tired of these posts Sevah. I'll keep being just as unreasonable as you are being as long as you decide to keep posting in this manner.

[Wolf Snare]

The reason people are inactive is because you've made the transition to a new set of code difficult by being your usual self and taking advantage of the situation. Nobody else had the time to sit down and learn the new code, but I guess that's how you like to play, only when you have an unfair advantage. People got tired of your team dominating, and all of your forum drama and accusations, would be my guess. You forget RWL is a site for young teens.

Quit making excuses firetooth, I signed up when 3.0 was released, ran twice and had it on lockdown. Look at cloud, volkov, pip adjusted right away. maybe you just bad at promisance babe. Oh. you got aided into first? I came back on the last day and you lost. poor lil fellar-- better luck next time.

Sevz, let's let him take the lead-- hell, i'll help him emp, give him 3 days, then we delete and break protection?

I asked you for help plenty, Sevs. Remember when I invited you to beta test and you didn't make a single post about it? That's when I stopped asking, because it was clear you weren't interested.

If that's changed, by all means help out, but it's your move. As for not accepting help: I need specific suggestions with a rationale behind them, eg, "X should be changed to Y because Z". If you do that, then we can talk it through from there.

I intend to actually take up this offer, if you care to extend it to me. I have some solid ideas that need to be broken down and tweaked a bit, but I would like to help you develop the code if possible.

Facts are Shadow wants things running a specific way that he can abuse. His track record is 0/zero wins since I've been around. 1 time he tried really hard but I showed him. Since then I've seen lots of little corrupt steps to make things convenient.

I don't think that is accurate for Turbo, and I know it's not accurate for reg.

Actually the 0 wins part is true, as I avidly participate in ensuring that is remains true ;)

I'd work with shadow ingame though, I'd work with you too volk, and you know that. I don't hold grudges, but I like to be a thorn in your foot paw, solely because neither of you will say "you know what, you won, good job" after being beat. It's enjoyable to see you guys get all flustered and crotchety when you can't get what you really want; I know all about it, I'm the same way lol.

He doesn't need to deny it, because it's stupid.

You aren't suggesting changes about sack, you are whining about it and not making any concrete suggestions. I can't tell if you want sack power reduced or if you just want it eliminated entirely. Make an actual suggestion, and I won't make such comments about it.

Dude, I was sacked every single day this round. If you have resources, there will never be a time where you aren't sacked. However, given how weak sack really is, it's not going to affect you as much as you claim, unless you totally suck at the game or are clanned with unlimited attacks. Oh, and no, Sevah, unless you radically change your behavior, there will not come a time when you are not accused of having ulterior motives. You rarely say anything for the general good of the game. You had your chance, and more than had your chance as beta tester to actually talk about improvements or bug fixes or whatever. You didn't. The only time you seem to say anything is when it directly affects you.

Frankly, I'm just tired of these posts Sevah. I'll keep being just as unreasonable as you are being as long as you decide to keep posting in this manner.

I'll be making quite a few (reasonable) suggestions with no intent on benefiting myself (not entirely, anyway). I believe the smoother the game runs, the better a time everyone has: admins, long-term players, and noobs alike. Sevz certainly has good ideas, and is able to provide suggestions along with reasonable explanations to support them. But why would he? You respond to anything he has to say in a condescending tone, constantly looking for reasons to discredit his ideas and ridicule him if applicable.

In all honesty, we can all leave our ingame character attitudes ingame and talk reasonable like adults. We can assess the situation, address the issues by order of importance (fixes / fixes being primary, new innovations coming later unless absolutely groundbreaking). We can refrain from insulting and discriminating each other, and we could honestly get things moving. Shadow has been doing things by himself, and he is open to suggestions, but may want to lead things in a different direction than most. It's worked so far, but perhaps we could all lighten up and be open minded. If something seems viable, consider it.

IDK, it's an idea. it'd be nice if we could all post anonymously, it would really be interesting to see... Things that are normally shot down because of who posted them may be considered.

Also, Volk, I love ya man, but the 'tude! it's constant and it's discouraging. ya know?

[Shadow]

I intend to actually take up this offer, if you care to extend it to me. I have some solid ideas that need to be broken down and tweaked a bit, but I would like to help you develop the code if possible.

I am more than happy to have dev input, but I do require people to support their ideas through a discussion of the potential impacts before I spend time coding. If you do that, I am all ears.

[Sevz]

I don't hold grudges, but I like to be a thorn in your foot paw, solely because neither of you will say "you know what, you won, good job" after being beat. It's enjoyable to see you guys get all flustered and crotchety when you can't get what you really want; I know all about it, I'm the same way lol.

Sevz certainly has good ideas, and is able to provide suggestions along with reasonable explanations to support them. But why would he? You respond to anything he has to say in a condescending tone, constantly looking for reasons to discredit his ideas and ridicule him if applicable.

Gold.
People around here need to show some sportsmanship once in a while.
As for me not making suggestions in the beta that's rubbish. I barely had the time to figure things out and you expect a professional opinion the first days?
Was I supposed to come in and know everything or did you wanna see me sounding foolish talking about things I hadn't tested? Maybe I could of done what you do and just pretend I know.
I think my words would of been something like this server will not work as it is. Not the first day but after 3 runs I reckon I rattled off a bunch of reasons then you got offended and rushed to implement the new dodgy code.

It's never gonna be fair like this. It's all a bunch of make do near enough is good enough BS. I tried doing things the Shadow way and it was thrown back in my face, you want my wits you can beg for it or keep leading redwall down the drain. I don't care. If Windy sacks you i'll become useful to restore things. Til then you made your bed sleep in it. Soon you'll rightfully be blamed when the final damage is done.

[Firetooth]

I don't hold grudges, but I like to be a thorn in your foot paw, solely because neither of you will say "you know what, you won, good job" after being beat. It's enjoyable to see you guys get all flustered and crotchety when you can't get what you really want; I know all about it, I'm the same way lol.

Sevz certainly has good ideas, and is able to provide suggestions along with reasonable explanations to support them. But why would he? You respond to anything he has to say in a condescending tone, constantly looking for reasons to discredit his ideas and ridicule him if applicable.

Gold.
People around here need to show some sportsmanship once in a while.
As for me not making suggestions in the beta that's rubbish. I barely had the time to figure things out and you expect a professional opinion the first days?
Was I supposed to come in and know everything or did you wanna see me sounding foolish talking about things I hadn't tested? Maybe I could of done what you do and just pretend I know.
I think my words would of been something like this server will not work as it is. Not the first day but after 3 runs I reckon I rattled off a bunch of reasons then you got offended and rushed to implement the new dodgy code.

It's never gonna be fair like this. It's all a bunch of make do near enough is good enough BS. I tried doing things the Shadow way and it was thrown back in my face, you want my wits you can beg for it or keep leading redwall down the drain. I don't care. If Windy sacks you i'll become useful to restore things. Til then you made your bed sleep in it. Soon you'll rightfully be blamed when the final damage is done.

Quit lying, sevz. You killed Rakefur in the beta server. As in, you purposefully killed another tester for taking your land because "I need things to test that man." That in itself imparied testing, and you showed then you were treating it like a promi round, not a test server. I ran two runs iirc, and I still gave feedback. Who cares what your words *would've* been? You had your chance, you blew it. Nobody takes you seriously after that, and it's your own fault. People don't listen to you because you always have an agenda, and usually you're not even smart enough to hide that with your posts.

Things are more fair then you know, in fact I say you get preferential treatment, if anything. If I was running the site, you'd have never even been given beta access. I would've disabled you for the first round for using it as your own way to get a leg up, too. If there was a conspiracy against you, you wouldn't have won last round. If there was a conspiracy against you, you'd be gagged pretty much every few days for the way you treat Shadow and other staff members. Trust me Sevz, if somebody was ever stoned enough to make you Admin, the site would lose all activity besides hard-core promi players in a month.

Then you have the nerve to blame the admins for the lack of activity. It's you, Sevz. Winning 9 rounds in a row while only Shadow and Volk is active doesn't show anything besides you don't care for the game-new players don't flourish in super-competitive games like Valhall, and that's what turbo is becoming more like. Please, just shut up. Everything you say is just...wrong.

[Gen. Volkov]

Actually the 0 wins part is true, as I avidly participate in ensuring that is remains true

I don't mean since 3.0, Sevah said "since he's been around", and I know there were at least 5 rounds where teams that kilk built dominated before we all got bored and stopped caring. Sevah was around for those rounds, and I think Shadow won at least one of them.

Also, Round 32.

http://www.redwallwarlords.com/forums/index.php?topic=11803.0

Shadow won, me second, Sevah 5th.

I don't think Shadow has won a round since 3.0 came out, though to be fair, he has only played a few rounds.

I'd work with shadow ingame though, I'd work with you too volk, and you know that. I don't hold grudges, but I like to be a thorn in your foot paw, solely because neither of you will say "you know what, you won, good job" after being beat. It's enjoyable to see you guys get all flustered and crotchety when you can't get what you really want; I know all about it, I'm the same way lol.

Actually, I will and have said, "you won good job", but recently you've been so internet tough guy, and such a bad sportsman, that I haven't been. You say you don't hold grudges, and generally that has been true, but for a few rounds there, you were. I don't know why you chose to behave as you were, and I'm glad you are apparently done with it now, but for awhile there you were basically being a total [stoat's behind].

I'll be making quite a few (reasonable) suggestions with no intent on benefiting myself (not entirely, anyway). I believe the smoother the game runs, the better a time everyone has: admins, long-term players, and noobs alike. Sevz certainly has good ideas, and is able to provide suggestions along with reasonable explanations to support them. But why would he? You respond to anything he has to say in a condescending tone, constantly looking for reasons to discredit his ideas and ridicule him if applicable.

If this happens, I'll be glad to see it. As for my treatment of Sevah, that has more to do with the fact that he rarely if ever does provide ideas with solid reasoning behind them. 9 times out of 10, it's "this place would be a thousand times better with me at the helm". There is exactly one time that I can remember that he provided ideas with reasons behind them, and on that occasion, I gave them the thoughtful, fair consideration they deserved. I am not out to get Sevah, in fact, most of the time I don't even respond to what he says, unless he's directly addressing me. He's been directly insulting Shadow for months now, and you have joined in on more than one occasion, and I'm just finally tired enough of reading it to say something.

In all honesty, we can all leave our ingame character attitudes ingame and talk reasonable like adults. We can assess the situation, address the issues by order of importance (fixes / fixes being primary, new innovations coming later unless absolutely groundbreaking). We can refrain from insulting and discriminating each other, and we could honestly get things moving. Shadow has been doing things by himself, and he is open to suggestions, but may want to lead things in a different direction than most. It's worked so far, but perhaps we could all lighten up and be open minded. If something seems viable, consider it.

This sounds reasonable, and I would love for it to be the case, but it does not jibe with either your or Sevah's actions in recent months. However, if you guys are willing to turn over a new leaf, and discuss things like reasonable adults, as you say, then I'm more than willing to participate in these discussions, and listen to whatever concrete ideas Sevah has.

IDK, it's an idea. it'd be nice if we could all post anonymously, it would really be interesting to see... Things that are normally shot down because of who posted them may be considered.

I think most of the regular posters on here would be able to figure out who was who, based on writing styles.

Also, Volk, I love ya man, but the 'tude! it's constant and it's discouraging. ya know?

You do realize how ironic that is right? If I have an attitude towards you or Sevah, it's only a response to the attitudes you both have been displaying recently. You both called me so many names, and insulted me on a personal level so many times, its a wonder I'm even willing to talk to either of you at all. If you want me to dial back the "'tude", it's going to take a sustained period of both of you acting like reasonable adults.

[Sevz]

Sevs mentioned something like this a while ago and then deleted the report for some reason.

Probably just trying to be as unhelpful as possible.

You think this doesn't bother me Volkov? How hard is it for him to ask me about it? Not at all but this is directly putting things in Firetooths head. It's what he does.

I made a post
The problem was addressed
I delete my post and get called unhelpful behind my back.

See how he manipulates things? Does everyone? I'm a fair person. I spent most of this round playing peacefully trying to sort out my problem with this rodent and he still constantly attacked and stole my stuff.

As for that win of Shadows did you know that was when Snare was helping him? Lots of people flooding him with troops and it was so long ago that Peace Alliance was aggressive.

Everyone here is a n00b. 2b net is 3days work
Plus
i changed race the last day and soloed from 30m net to over 700m.

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I reckon I can dig up immorts pages from around those days where I tried to force the admins to make changes. I remember deleting and restarting with 1 week to go and publicly gave out my name announcing that I will win this round no one can stop me. I won the round and things didn't change for ages. We've come along way since then wait I mean we've gone backwards heaps since then.
You try being me watching idiots group up it's heaps frustrating. I see you all protect eachother from the truth now your elected hero has put you through 5 dodgy rounds of beta.

And first round of beta i had an unfair advantage cos i tested the beta of the beta for a few days? CMON LADIES. Sharpy you tried to lock with your whole team helping you cos you knew the game as much as me.
I simply broke you then found out the hard way after my first run I'd need to defend the land to keep my head above water. I didn't know what I was doing so I did what any veteran would do which was safely grow as a reseller in a new server. Only way to compensate my lack of strategy was expanding assets.

Now firetooth you think about it, bringing up something from half a year ago and insulting me for having problem solving skills. Is it worth arguing? Are you always gonna be miserable and disrespectful?
I hope so because I'm gonna give you reasons to hate me.
Unless you were that warlord SnowyFir? If that was you I fair slaughtered you time after time leaving you in shame.

[Firetooth]

Sevz just stop with your ego trip. Literally, stop posting. I'm tired of reading your insane rants. Your view is just so warped, I'm not even going to bother with any more of this.

[Sevz]

Then don't talk about me next time. You called me out dude I didn't egg you on or nothing. All I was doing was chilling passive in the game not on the forums.

Red Special? More like little red riding hood. You say "Sevz, what a big ego you have?" and i'm like "All the better to headbutt you wiv"

[Shoot]

From what I noticed with sack, it seems the amount of resources taken with each is around 0.1%, which isn't that significant. To me, it seems like a nice extra bonus to come with a land grab I would have normally done, but the amount gained doesn't seem like it is worth attacking just for the sole purpose of sacking somebody's resources even if they have a significant amount on them.

When I did have a significant amount of resources on hand, I just opted to drop my land to the land farm to give people less incentive to hit me (and sack my resources in the process).

[Shadow]

it's actually around 0.25%, but yea. Not sure why everyone complains about it. It's no stronger than it is on reg.