Why I hate Outcast of Redwall.

[Rakefur]

Wow you really hate this book....... :o

[Pippin]

quit crying its a book he spent years writing you ought to be strung up and had stones thrown at you for weeks

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHMBULANCE REQUIRED

[Dark Claws]

Don't dis Sunflash, he kills when it coems to main characters.

[Camaclue]

HEYO! NEW REASONS WHY THIS BOOK IS MY LEAST FAVORITE!!!

So, I've reached the 1/3 mark! Here we go!
|8 Generic villans. Let's see... all we need is species, look, and motive! A fat, short stoat with huge earrings who wants to stuff his face. ALL DONE!
19. Feasts. Oh GOD those "goodbeasts" torture vermin by having feasts every single day.
2O. Bloodwrath. Hostage situation? Bloodwrath it! A score of vermin? Bloodwrath it! Baby poking you with a stick? BLOODWRATH IT!
2! the maps in the front of the book. are inaccurate as hell.
22 A character named Starbuck(s). Commence the lulz.
23. Prophecies. Only way that this is possible? Time traveler.
24. All the songs, songs, songs, SONGS! (Quoted and edited from how the Grinch stole Christmas)

[Shadow Assassin]

All the maps are different, every book has a different map.

[Dark Claws]

Isn't that like every book?

[Shadow Assassin]

Yes

[Dark Claws]

My point exactly.

[Camaclue]

Gonna be on a Hiatus because I lost the book. Be back when two years.

[Camaclue]

HUZZAH! I have the returns!

25. stereotypes of Redwall. Hares are gluttons. Rats are evil. Badgers are handsome. Friars are fat. Moles talk weird. Mice are nice.
26. The life of a Badger. Bella lived from Martin the Warrior to Outcast of Redwall. She is one lucky female dog.
27. How long it takes before Veil becomes an Outcast. Already 2/3 done and FINALLY they mention the name of the book.
28. The mole/hedgehog family in the beginning. Never heard from again.


Now I'm gonna go get some free candy.

[Shadow]

You can't appreciate Redwall if you can't get past a few minor plot holes and the black and white morality (Outcast of Redwall was actually an attempt to move away from that stereotype). My reasons for disliking Outcast of Redwall are more that Bryonee (sp? it's been a long time since I read it) and the Redwallers kept allowing themselves to be fooled. I always disliked that they kept giving him more chances that he didn't deserve. The fact that it worked out in the end didn't quite make up for it in my mind.

[Camaclue]

Well, to me it wasn't Veil's fault. He was always blamed for everything. He was an outcast BEFORE he tried to murder the Friar.

[windhound]

(26) Badgers can live ~15 years according to google, mice average around 3.
Bella outliving everyone 5 times over was actually Jacques being realistic. 

(25) But yeah.  The entire Redwall series was based around stereotypes - for better or worse.  It was clear what side of nature vs. nurture Jacques was on, lol. 
There was the random not-so-bad vermin, like the rat that built boats for the dibbuns, but the vast majority of the time...

(27) Setup was the most important part of the book, otherwise its just a vermin being a vermin

(28) At least Jacques didn't kill them, like with a good number of disposable characters. 

[Camaclue]

yeah...
29. Offing cool characters.

[Camaclue]

30. "invisible" vermin. They ALWAYS die in some ridiculous way. Look at Shadow. He fell off a wall when others would be badly injured.
31. The final battle. It wasn't even a battle. Badger kills the leader, the rest run to their death. WUT?
32. clothing. In the beginning, Badger noodie. In the end, Badger goes Gaga.
33. Veil. NOT ENOUGH OF HIM. I am disappoint.
34. Death of Skarlarth > Death of many hares.
35. useless characters. THEY NEVER AFFECT THE PLOT. Did the bats do anything to affect the plot? Only NOTHING.
All in all, I don't really like this book, but it is good. The worst best book ever.