WAR and BOW

Etendue · September 26, 2011, 07:46:54 AM

You probably think I'm a coward... that's probably right. It's excellent strategy to go unclanned and spread out poisons and murders towards a clan if you want them to suffer. You will all see what I mean.

Anyway, before I deinflate the RWL economy by eliminated the [delicious] amount of net belonging to WAR and BOW, I would like to post some messages from Shadow Assassin. I'll start off with the older ones.

Sun, 11 Sep 2011 22:20:53 -0600
From: Shadow Assasin (#93)
That's the only two choice's I have? You don't take me seriously do you? You don't think I can kill you do you?
I want to kill you just to prove I can, but I wont because even though I don't like the idea of working with someone who thinks they are better then everyone else we may be working together. One of my other choices is to blab to Sevz but I wont because I have said I may work with you and I don't betray people.

Comment: This message was when I was UNCLANNED. I literally laughed out loud when I read this. Also, I don't think I'm better than everyone else, just you and your clan.

My response:
Mon, 12 Sep 2011 22:46:28 -0600
From: Etendue (#119)
If you know anything about this game, you should've known that unclanned people are impossible to kill if they log in once per week.

Know that you are still in TRAINING, which means that you should be listening to the people with more experience.

Join if you want, but I'm warning you, if you stay clanned, you'll be destroyed by temple.

And he replies
Tue, 13 Sep 2011 04:22:36 -0600
From: Shadow Assasin (#93)
Yes but unclaned people cant do as much damage to claned people as other claned people can.
So your trying to get me on your side and you threaten me you say im not good and you say that im not good enough to kill you, you are a very good recruiter.
Can I talk to some one else in your group?

Our friend Shadow Assassin here completely missed the point. It doesn't matter that I can't do much damage to one person, because there were (at that time ) 10 people in his clan, meaning I could attack at the max 220 times, which equals 440 turns. Obviously, I can't do that, but it should be obvious that I can destroy their net my entire run.

Mon, 26 Sep 2011 03:27:14 -0600
From: Shadow Assasin (#93)
Noob you dont even know my net worth and you cant find it out with out getting some one who knows how to play this game to get it for you.
The reason we are killing you is your past messages, look at them, you threaten me and you insult me so you are going to die.

This one is the big one. My first reaction: Is he trolling me? First, he doesn't realize that after his runs, anybody can espy him, particularly because he doesn't drop land. Second, I recall telling him that I had several espies on him, which he seems to have completely forgotten. Also, he implies that I can't play this game because I can't espy a defensive leader race with high ratio. NO indy will be able to espy you. He also implies that the people who "know how to play this game" must "get it for [me]," which is interesting, because one of the advantages of being in a clan is having access to the espionage records. Perhaps, he has not comprehended the purpose of that button.

A motif I want to point out in his (and Ryu's, which are equally [honorable]) messages is this: my noob-iness, and in Ryu's case, my utter inability to produce decent amounts of net and protect it. First, I would like to point this out: after Kilk and Lucy went on vacation, I am quite probably the BEST indy netter in this server. I also transfer net to holders (unless nobody is funding me), and in general pump out a lot of safe net for the clan. I would like to embellish further upon this point, but I feel like this is sufficient.

From now on, I will suicide WAR and BOW's net every run until they completely disband. In any case, it's a good learning process: learning how to manage with minimal resources. Feel free to join me and Militem Umbris in this.

Shadow · September 26, 2011, 08:08:19 AM

This post is full of personal attack. Read this and then edit your post. If I have to do it I will be a lot less selective in what I cut out.

Honestly, you should know better.

Shadow
Modding

Etendue · September 26, 2011, 08:13:12 AM

hmmmn... you better edit this. I'm feeling pretty annoyed right now, like 10 noobs spam kill you with m4a1s on counter strike annoyed.

EDIT: I can see how editing this may be fun. Let me have a go at it.

Shadow · September 26, 2011, 08:23:04 AM

that was not much of a go at it. I fixed it, leave it like that. If any of the original nonsense finds its way back in there or future posts, it will be a gag.

Anyway: Are you Alazar?

Etendue · September 26, 2011, 08:29:08 AM

I can't answer that question.

Also, I am rather disheartened that you edited my post, because it was written using a very invigorating tone with varied and thought-provoking diction. Particularly the original parts related to urine.

Rakefur · September 26, 2011, 08:44:01 AM

Seriously, can't we talk this over? None of us want war.

Etendue · September 26, 2011, 08:46:06 AM

This is beyond words. It's going to take some sort of tribal dance coupled with throat singing and nebulous acts of worship towards inanimate objects to settle this.

In other words, I will reach my original goal of forcing you to leave the clan, or you will feel what it's like to really be taken out by a leaderer.

Holby · September 26, 2011, 08:47:37 AM

RWL is a game of diplomacy. Diplomacy above everything else. You can't be a solo player and be wholly successful, because all of the greatest accomplishments within RWL involve working with others.

So, if you make a post proclaiming how much more amazing you are than new players, people will start to dislike you. If those same people have already witnessed your arrogance and intolerance, they probably already think you're bad news.

Which means if you ever want to work with vets of the community, there's a good chance you'll be turned down. And if the RWL community doesn't want anything to do with you... why bother staying?

Acting like an [Behind] to newbs might make you feel all powerful and important, but if this is more than a short stopover, it might be worth giving your attitude a think.

Rakefur · September 26, 2011, 08:50:04 AM

Quote from: Etendue on September 26, 2011, 08:46:06 AM
This is beyond words. It's going to take some sort of tribal dance coupled with throat singing and nebulous acts of worship towards inanimate objects to settle this.

Really? I'm not sure what to think. Is it normal for people to say things like this?

Quote from: Etendue on September 26, 2011, 08:46:06 AM
In other words, I will reach my original goal of forcing you to leave the clan, or you will feel what it's like to really be taken out by a leaderer.

We are in a clan cause we want to work together; We don't have to do anything you say. We will stay clanned.

Etendue · September 26, 2011, 08:52:24 AM

Good idea. But really, this stems from some annoyances I have with the personalities of said newer players, and the fact that reg is getting to be boring. As cliched as this sounds, I think they started it. Somebody in their clan made an insulting/threatening message to me, causing a deterioration of their status in my mind, and ultimately resulting in my lambasting them at every opportunity.

Additionally, I'm not sure why I would ever want to work with these people. The people I want to work with are set in my mind, and they are my only true allies.

P.S. Last time I checked, the noob legion did not make up the community.

Rakefur · September 26, 2011, 08:54:54 AM

So Gabe sends you something, and you pile all of us in with him. He just doesn't have patience with people like you, and frankly, I don't blame him. If you have a problem with him, why don't you talk to him? And not by threatening him/us.

Quote from: Etendue on September 26, 2011, 08:52:24 AM
As cliched as this sounds, I think they started it. Somebody in their clan made an insulting/threatening message to me, causing a deterioration of their status in my mind, and ultimately resulting in my lambasting them at every opportunity.

Um, not true. You started it by sending a message saying work with you or pay the price.

Etendue · September 26, 2011, 08:57:33 AM

That's an interesting thought. So, I should only take out Shadow Assassin and 252?

What a concept, never really thought of it. Wait, I have, but I dismissed it after your clan started firing off murders and poisons at me. It would have been justified, had you known I was funding Militem Umbris. But, you didn't know that, so I can only take it that some of you have been afflicted with irrational emotion. Either way, I'm not leaving that alone.

Rakefur · September 26, 2011, 08:59:51 AM

Quote from: Etendue on September 26, 2011, 08:57:33 AM
That's an interesting thought. So, I should only take out Shadow Assassin and 252?

What a concept, never really thought of it. Wait, I have, but I dismissed it after your clan started firing off murders and poisons at me. It would have been justified, had you known I was funding Militem Umbris. But, you didn't know that.

What I'm saying is, if you had a problem with him, you should have tried to talk to him, not threaten him. And yes, I did suspect you were working with Militem (who is a whole nother story).

Etendue · September 26, 2011, 09:00:07 AM

No, "Gabe" returned a message I sent to Temple with a particularly condescending tone, then proceeded to write a couple more. Sounds petty, doesn't it?

Holby · September 26, 2011, 09:02:22 AM

Quote from: Etendue on September 26, 2011, 08:52:24 AM
Good idea. But really, this stems from some annoyances I have with the personalities of said newer players, and the fact that reg is getting to be boring. As cliched as this sounds, I think they started it. Somebody in their clan made an insulting/threatening message to me, causing a deterioration of their status in my mind, and ultimately resulting in my lambasting them at every opportunity.

Additionally, I'm not sure why I would ever want to work with these people. The people I want to work with are set in my mind, and they are my only true allies.

P.S. Last time I checked, the noob legion did not make up the community.

I think you're missing the point.

It's not about who is at fault or what caused it. It's your overall attitude, which is (generally speaking) arrogant, patronising, condescending and lacking a whopping amount of good sense.

They are new players, many of them very young. Of course they're aggressive, of course they say outrageous things. It's your job as someone alleging to have maturity and ability to realise your best response is to be civilised and reasonable.

You're not jeopardising relationships with people you're already fighting, you're isolating yourself from the community as a whole. If you say you don't want to have anything to do with the game outside of your current group of clanmates/RWL friends, goodo. But I don't believe it for a second.

If you want to make a mark for yourself in this game, you get it by winning respect, and you can't do that by continuing to bully newbs.