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[Genevieve]

You're an oddity.

[Neobaron]

You're an oddity.

[Ungatt Trunn II]

Your accent is an oddity.

[Shadow]

When I say planned obsolescence what I really mean to say is the ridiculous consumer culture that leads to people lining up at midnight the night before a release to purchase the next iWhatever, when, as winy pointed out, their old hardware is still perfectly viable. While all companies try to do this, Apple has made it an art form. While their hardware is still perfectly viable, they have taken planned obsolescence to the next level - they have convinced people to buy the new version even though the old one still works. I despise this approach, and I say that knowing full well the meaning of that word.

This culture is ridiculously wasteful, and is unashamedly and blatantly just a ploy to get more money out of people who patently DO NOT NEED WHAT THEY ARE BUYING, and yet people are still there, lining up out the door. This absolutely boggles my mind. I cannot begin to comprehend what is going through the heads of these people.

Now, windy's reasons for liking Mac are perfectly reasonable. He buys hardware, and gets years of use out of it. I have no problem with that, as their hardware is admittedly top of the line. I would buy a mac second hand and drop Linux on it without a second though.

But I can't condone the consumer culture they have created by giving them my money. It's that simple.

So, basically, I dislike Apple because of Apple fanboys, and because Apple actively encourages them to exist.

[Ungatt Trunn II]

Only Apple product I currently have, and have ever had, is an iPhone. Don't plan on getting any others either, this one works fine. U MAD APPLE?
(I still think this thing is freakin' amazing, then again I'm still used to cellphones with backlit screens... haha)

[windhound]

But Shadow, all companies do this.
You're complaining about a very, very good marketing and product research division. 
The iPad is a great example of what makes Apple Apple.  Tablet computers have been around forever, but because of the combination of generic mouse-driven software and overwhelmingly pen-driven input they never sold well.  Apple put together something that worked, custom touch-based software with a responsive UI.  Now look around, everyone is copying them. 
That's not to say everything Apple has done turned to gold - there's the Lisa, Newton, whatever they called their game console, etc.

I find the other computer companies much more guilty of planned obsolescence because they'll do things like use extremely weak screen hinges on their laptops in addition to poor quality build materials that make the machines unusable after a couple years.  I've played around with some older mac stuff and it was all still solid. 
Its not planned obsolescence if the stuff still works and the next gen just has more features people want.

Also, its not wasteful to cycle through computers.  Its silly and a waste of money, but have you seen the resale value on macs?  Ebay, Craigslist / Kijjii (sp) those suckers, people buy 'em.  Even the 10 year old G4's still have a market, its not like they're being thrown away unless people are retarded.  And even if they are Apple will take any old macs for free.
People spend their money in silly ways sometimes.  Does it make sense to queue up outside a retail store to buy the latest and greatest doohicky?  Not to me, but if it makes people happy why poop on it.

Apple has a cult following because they put together quality hardware and a great OS.  The biggest criticism over OS X is that there's not much to customize, and its very true.  But everything that's there just works and its a lot harder to get your box pwn'd.  The certified unix base, halfway decent commercial software support (even got Steam now!), proper permission management, and various security measures make Macs much > than Windows - which is what they're competing against, not Linux. 
You _can_ hose a Mac, if someone wants in they'll get in and the more common PEBKAC issues are unavoidable.  But it happens a lot less frequently. 
The recent trojan that caught some news required the user to download, run, and give the malware the root password.

Also, fun fact:  Andriod is having issues with malware in their app store. 
Apple's closed store model has its drawbacks, but there are definite advantages to it

Anyways Ungatt, Apple is not Sony.  They make a profit on everything they sell, if you just want to buy an iPhone they'll love you anyways.

[Kilkenne]

You can't tell me that the idiots lining up to buy the newest iphone or an ipad2 for weeks at a time (the stories of them camping out in tents) are generally the people who care how long the hardware lasts, if the value holds, or anything like that. That is ridiculous. Those people are idiots, and they'd be idiots if they were lining up for microsoft products as well.

[Neobaron]

Windy, lets be honest.

Macs have "BETTER SECURITY BRO" because they make up a negligible sector of the market, and the folks who profit on malware and viruses (be it profit or lulz) really don't care.

Linux too. Honestly, linux doesn't even have security. Its just nobody cares.

Hell, 9/10 linux boxes are a bash away from being root.

Apple or Linux using security as an excuse is not really fair.

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Also, windy didn't mac release a string of what were effectively service packs for $130 each every 6-12 months for the last few years before this most recent service pack that was only $30?

[Ashyra Nightwing]

everyone ssh about macs and WATCH THIS VIDEO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9NP-AeKX40

thank you apple products for bringing such confusion to a simple cat

[windhound]

Rough estimates put macs at 10%
This means that one out of every ten computer sold is a Mac, this is not a small number.  Given that enterprise and most big business are windows shops this means that the vast majority of Macs are on home networks.  Easier targets, more likely to have interesting information stored on them, and less likely to be up to date.
...Except for the fact that the Mac OS X updater is sane.  It doesn't badger you to update and threaten to reboot every 30 min unless you click a button, which causes people to turn off windows update.  The Mac updater asks once then goes away until you initiate shutdown or reboot, where it asks if you want to install the updates or continue shutting down / rebooting.

iirc, Mac OS 9 (before OS X) actually had malware and viruses written for it and it had a much smaller userbase.
There's no reason for people not to be targeting macs, especially for the novelty factor.  Noone has written a proper, self installing, self spreading virus for Mac OS X - you'd think that'd be a challenge

I wrote a little blurb about the previous Mac OS X installments, but basically each one was a major release stationed a year or two apart.  Its not Apple's fault Microsoft got stuck in the XP rut for 7 years.  Prior to that MS was cranking out versions, even had the gall to charge for Win98SE.
Also note, when you pay for the Mac install disk you get an unlocked disk.  It works forever on any mac you throw it in, no license keys no validation.  Up till Snow Leopard its been like this, here's hoping Lion continues this trend 'cause I _really_ appreciate it.

Also iirc, linux servers host over half of all websites.  This is a _major_ target
But again, aside from direct attacks there hasn't been any major malware or viruses written for Linux.

<3 Neo

[windhound]

Cute Ashy.

[Kilkenne]

http://youtu.be/GSBIEMonruE

[Neobaron]

everyone ssh about macs and WATCH THIS VIDEO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9NP-AeKX40

thank you apple products for bringing such confusion to a simple cat

Adorable.

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http://youtu.be/GSBIEMonruE

wat.

[Gen. Volkov]

I hate Macs because they are so often incompatible with other things. Including other Apple products, at times. Admittedly, they've worked hard on compatibility with Windows stuff recently, but for the longest time, they just didn't seem to care. So that report for school that I needed to finish at home, but the disk wasn't compatible? TOO BAD. (All our school computers were Macs. iMacs actually, which I hated even more than your standard Mac. Not because they were colorful, but because they had security holes that allowed students to mess to them with the point that they were significantly less stable than any PC I have ever owned.)

[Ashyra Nightwing]

The problem I have with Apple is the 'Apple attitude' - entering an Apple store is like walking into a cathedral of smuggitude. There's one in London that is actually a converted church.  :P
Apple computers are great. It's not the computers I have a problem with, it's the devices and the total control Apple has over their content. Apple can remotely delete apps from your iPhone and they're considering implementing a feature which will disable cameras automatically at musical events. There's so much more of this sort of thing and that's not even getting into the nightmare that is removing your own songs from your own iPod. It's like you don't own your device: you're just renting it from Apple even though you paid upwards of £200 for it in the first place.
I hate the iPad with an irrational rage though. I don't get it. It's like a phone and a laptop combined yet it's nowhere near as functional as either of the two separately. 'oooh it's like a computer but you can touch it' - I hope the novelty's going to wear off eventually.
Also who designs a MP3 player with a mirror back that scratches at the lightest finger's touch?


TLDR IM ANGRY ABOUT APPLE PRODUCTS bloo bloo bloo my desktop Mac broke one day for no reason and I had to sell it because I literally know nobody who knows how to fix a Mac when it breaks down and the guy I sold it to fixed it in seconds.