Intentional maxing

[The Lady Shael]

Today at 04:33:06 PM - Firetooth - Hey Shadow intentional maxing isn't allowed under any circumstances, right?   
Today at 04:36:02 PM - Kilkenne - the two clans were at war why is this being discussed   
Today at 04:37:53 PM - Shadow - no, intional maxxing is not allowed   
Today at 04:38:07 PM - Shadow - also intentional maxxing is bad too   
Today at 04:46:13 PM - Krowdon - @Firetooth I'd seen that before. funny stuff.   
Today at 04:52:56 PM - The Lady Shael - is it still intentional maxing even if you have them set to war? cause they're not maxed.
Today at 04:53:46 PM - The Lady Shael - kilk do you do anything on this forum besides expanding or collapsing   
Today at 04:56:49 PM - Kilkenne - not really, no   
Today at 04:57:44 PM - Kilkenne - actually sometimes I post   
Today at 04:59:57 PM - Shadow - if you have them set to war then it's not an issue   
Today at 05:00:15 PM - Shadow - call it troop suicides in that case   
Today at 05:00:19 PM - Aus - question, guys- i suicided the #1 guy on turbo and apparently i'm going to be banned because..   
Today at 05:00:30 PM - Aus - i broke a rule? what rule did i break?   
Today at 05:01:07 PM - Shadow - it's fine - since he was on war, you didn't max him. The issue is intentional maxxing   
Today at 05:01:23 PM - Shadow - if he were not on war when you did it, it would have been a bannable offense   
Today at 05:01:32 PM - The Lady Shael - you're okay Aus   
Today at 05:01:44 PM - Shadow - because in the past people have had people max then with failed attack to lock land   
Today at 05:02:27 PM - Aus - Ohh. Ok. Because I didn't even know that rule...I was just trying to break him in rats...   
Today at 05:02:45 PM - Aus - it never quite worked  thanks for the heads-up, i'll be more careful about that next time   
Today at 05:03:26 PM - Shadow - yea, as long as they are on war, no big deal   
Today at 05:03:38 PM - Shadow - however, troop suicides are not very effective   
Today at 05:03:46 PM - Shadow - so not recommended as a way to break in any case   
Today at 05:05:04 PM - The Lady Shael - i'm surprised the fact that you had them set to war didn't occur to them.   
Today at 05:05:09 PM - Shadow - @firetooth - if it were intentional maxxing, you would have been banned too ^_^   
Today at 05:08:52 PM - Kilkenne - I've been saying that to them for the last hour   
Today at 05:08:57 PM - Kilkenne - the war thing
Today at 05:10:39 PM - Firetooth - Eh? I'm confused, this doesn't change anything. Intention doesn't change the result in this case, in   
Today at 05:11:00 PM - Firetooth - the past I'm pretty sure troop suicides were not an excuse for intentionally maxing somebody.   
Today at 05:12:22 PM - The Lady Shael - he wasn't maxed, Firetooth.   
Today at 05:12:30 PM - The Lady Shael - *You   
Today at 05:13:12 PM - The Lady Shael - intentional maxing requires both sides to be in on it    
Today at 05:13:43 PM - Firetooth - Not really. If somebody maxes somebody without being asked, ala shade via wolf snare in the past,    
Today at 05:14:05 PM - Firetooth - the maxer is band and not the maxed. The fact they benefit is not relevant if they did not organize    
Today at 05:14:27 PM - Firetooth - it, also this stuff contradicts the stickied rule thread in news...you may want to update that to    
Today at 05:14:35 PM - Firetooth - avoid further confusion   
Today at 05:15:07 PM - The Lady Shael - it depends on the circumstances, but either way Aus didn't break any rules   
Today at 05:15:17 PM - Kilkenne - but it isn't maxing if the parties are at war and the attack limit isn't hit   
Today at 05:15:35 PM - Kilkenne - like, it's suiciding but nothing enforceable at all   
Today at 05:15:52 PM - Firetooth - The outcome is the same. Unclanned warlords can't attack me. He breached the limit with failed attac   
Today at 05:16:15 PM - Firetooth - Also suicidng troops and leaders are different, confusingly enough.

-Aus did not intentionally max (his profile still reads "22 attacks left", he set GLaDOS to war for unlimited attacks. Unlimited attacks != intentional maxing)

-that topic in News is old, those rules were related to an old attacking system in which intentionally losing to someone resulted in you gaining land from that person. That system is no longer in place and honestly I have never noticed that topic till now

[Neobaron]

So if a clan makes an emp, and then boots them for protection, is everyone who tries to break them (and hits the attack limit) banned?

Well intentioned, but apparently exploitable.

[Kilkenne]

Today at 04:53:46 PM - The Lady Shael - kilk do you do anything on this forum besides expanding or collapsing  

This is the best part.

[Twilight Shadow]

Yes what if you have intentions to suicide rather than maxing them

[Neobaron]

Yes what if you have intentions to suicide rather than maxing them

I guess that's kind of the point.

The old rule was relevant in the old game/system.

But today a lone emp can be easily overtaken by a clan working together.

Rule should be abolished for a test period, imo. It's not serving the intended purpose anymore.

[The Lady Shael]

Maxing is not the same as intentional maxing. Obviously these situations are judged on a case by case basis. Only when it's obvious the attacker was trying to intentionally lose and was trying to protect the defender. One of the oldbies can explain this better than I can.

[Firetooth]

He did intentionally max, though. The limit is 22 attacks, right? By my rapid and sleep-deprived count, he got about 50.

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I simply do not believe you could honestly not realize you had maxed that person. Thus it was intentional. How many times would he have to have hit me for it to have been intentional? 200?

Anyway, I have to go now, but that is my view on it. If not intentional, he must have at least been aware he had crossed the limit.

[The Lady Shael]

Firetooth, he had UNLIMITED attacks on you. Thus, no attack limit. Your profile does NOT read as maxed. This is not a subjective point. I honestly don't know how else to explain this.

[Kilkenne]

You are completely missing the point, Firetooth. Your clan is set to war. It does not reduce the maximum attack limit. You are wrong. Intentional maxing is really only when someone sends 1 rat into someone 22 times when the clans aren't at war (or the target is unclanned) to reduce the maximum attack number intentionally to zero so that no one else can attack that person with real troops and make real gains/real losses.

[Neobaron]

At war =! solo play thought Firetooth. He is trying to break you, not trying to protect you.

That is the point that breaks your argument bud.

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Yes, at one point people would intentionally fail attacks to aid land to dying empires or attack with small numbers of troops to intentionally fail in order to prevent legitimate attacks from enemy warlords.

[Twilight Shadow]

It is set to war for a reason bub...not to max you but to lower you plus your 22 count doesnt get touched if your at war :P Take the suicides like a man

[Neobaron]

TS, I love you with as much internet bro love as I can muster, but it's probably best if you just stop posting.

[Shadow]

Intentioanal maxxing, by its definition, is when failed attacks result in a player being maxxed. You were not maxxed. Therefore you were not intentionally maxxed.

The distinction here is not in the word "intentionally" (it was obviously intentional). The distinction is in the word "maxxed."

@Neo: when an emperor is set up, and people fail attacks on them, they generally do not fail more than once or twice. If someone fails on them to hitlimit, then it is a problem, yes. Of course, the trouble then becomes deciding if they did it for defense, or if someone attacked them hoping that it would be seen that way ^_^. So it goes on a case-by-case basis.

That said, this is not a case of intentional maxxing, so no judgement needed.

TS: post civilly or not at all

[Neobaron]

But suiciding is a legitimate strategy, is it not?

Especially with leader suicides being broken right now.

In effect, what you are suggesting is that the only way to dethrone a declanned emp candidate is to net around them rather than take them down.

I can understand that there are conditions where maxxing is not desireable, but there are also conditions where it is necessary.

[Twilight Shadow]

LOL Neo thanks for the concern but we all just posted the same thing. Mine may be a little more words of bloodthristy but eh once a badger goes bloodwrath good luck getting them out >:D