Dispensation of Justice

[The Purple Dragon]

As soon as my account is back up and not plauged with a weird bug, I'll post the msg convos to prove what a bunch of liars and hypocrites you are. I'm also dissapointed vets like Volk and windy approved of this injustice.

Maybe, if your clan hadn't tried to kill me, I would have had motivation to try and stop them from killing you and yours. Now, perhaps you did not participate in the kill attempt, but as clan leader, you are responsible for the actions of your clan, and so you share the consequences for their actions. I logged in to very low land, as it says in the initial post. They likely would have managed the kill if my clanmates had not logged on. If you cannot control your clan, we will do it for you.

Volkov you know full well that we did not try to kill you. You replied to a letter that I sent you in which I apologized for the attacks and gave my reasoning. If I had wanted to kill you, I would have. In fact, I will show the evidence of this.

Tue, 10 May 2011 10:11:42 -0600
From: Art of War (#25)
Everyone is accusing Blue and I of trying to kill you, which is not the case... I sacked for cash and explained why I did, and Blue captured leaders becuase you had the most in the game... we came nowhere near killing you and it was not our intention.

I have no problem with you, windy, or any of the veterans in your clan... just Revelation and King Cobra, so your kill run was unprovoked. I am going to ask nicely that you aid GLADos the marketed troops that Blue and I had. You don't just do a mass kill run after I send you a message apologizing for the sacks and low land.

Purp


Mon, 09 May 2011 23:20:01 -0600
From: Holby Alliance (#34)
S'ok.


Mon, 09 May 2011 18:55:28 -0600
From: Art of War (#25)
sorry about the sacks, I ran out of cash in the middle of my run because someone onlined me so I needed some fast cash.. normally I would not have sacked.

[Firetooth]

There you go. Now who is the liar?

Of course, you guys will wriggle your way out of this. You've already gotten out of lying to everybody once, you'll do it again.

That should prove your sole reason for killing us is a lie.

Let me repeat that:

Tue, 10 May 2011 10:11:42 -0600
From: Art of War (#25)
Everyone is accusing Blue and I of trying to kill you, which is not the case... I sacked for cash and explained why I did, and Blue captured leaders becuase you had the most in the game... we came nowhere near killing you and it was not our intention.

I have no problem with you, windy, or any of the veterans in your clan... just Revelation and King Cobra, so your kill run was unprovoked. I am going to ask nicely that you aid GLADos the marketed troops that Blue and I had. You don't just do a mass kill run after I send you a message apologizing for the sacks and low land.


Mon, 09 May 2011 23:20:01 -0600
From: Holby Alliance (#34)
S'ok.


Mon, 09 May 2011 18:55:28 -0600
From: Art of War (#25)
sorry about the sacks, I ran out of cash in the middle of my run because someone onlined me so I needed some fast cash.. normally I would not have sacked.

[Kilkenne]

Never once did I insult you, so feel free to turn around and leave this thread if you want to get indignant and martyr yourself, Firetooth. For real. This is literally what people said in the reg thread about people taking everything too personally. Do I dislike you after what happened? Not at all. Do I think you're going to hold a grudge against me now? Absolutely, based on your responses. But  I slept fine last night after what happened, and will tonight, too, because I don't find what we did to be evil, wrong, or unjustified. From your perspective, I understand being upset, and I understand why you're arguing the way you are. But there's a point where a line needs to be drawn for responsibility. If you want everyone to conduct themselves in a way that lets one another net and stuff, do it, but don't have a double standard about it, and then get irrationally upset when something happens.

I think this comes down more to the communication between your clan than anything, as that's what got this started. I'll leave you guys to keep throwing around the YOU LIE card until Neo gets back with the MSN log, because you pretty much back down on every point. The thing that gets me is the massive stretching of the truth you engaged in repeatedly in amounts of land, networth loss, and otherwise to make you seem like more the victim. Seemed like you were justifying a war.

[Kilkenne]

I am going to ask nicely that you aid GLADos the marketed troops that Blue and I had. You don't just do a mass kill run after I send you a message apologizing for the sacks and low land.

Depending how this plays out, I would be willing to personally see to this. I have your exact market troop counts recorded. This isn't a guarantee or a promise, but we'll see where things go from here.

[Firetooth]

Never once did I insult you, so feel free to turn around and leave this thread if you want to get indignant and martyr yourself, Firetooth. For real. This is literally what people said in the reg thread about people taking everything too personally. Do I dislike you after what happened? Not at all. Do I think you're going to hold a grudge against me now? Absolutely, based on your responses. But  I slept fine last night after what happened, and will tonight, too, because I don't find what we did to be evil, wrong, or unjustified. From your perspective, I understand being upset, and I understand why you're arguing the way you are. But there's a point where a line needs to be drawn for responsibility. If you want everyone to conduct themselves in a way that lets one another net and stuff, do it, but don't have a double standard about it, and then get irrationally upset when something happens.

I think this comes down more to the communication between your clan than anything, as that's what got this started. I'll leave you guys to keep throwing around the YOU LIE card until Neo gets back with the MSN log, because you pretty much back down on every point. The thing that gets me is the massive stretching of the truth you engaged in repeatedly in amounts of land, networth loss, and otherwise to make you seem like more the victim. Seemed like you were justifying a war.

You called me a fool, made be out (intentionally or not) to be stupid and ignorant and are still doing so. I don't even know your involvement, but hey. If you guys want to go ahead and role play...

Oh wait, Neo posted a serious and condescending block of test. Besides, betraying people is always annoying., and this goes beyond the game in some ways, I spent ages on MSN to him and he gave no warning of an attack

War? I'm not trying to justify war. If you actually read the message history and chat logs you can see the one thing I didn't want was a war. I'm saying this is unjustified because I haven't partook in or ordered any aggressive missions on BA, infact I spent time ordering to not use aggressive missions and negotiating peace. I'm not irrationally upset, I'm frustrated with good reason about being knocked down for the most convoluted and pathetic reasons I've seen.

Finally, Neo's reasoning was we tried a kill which is why we were killed. Purpy D's post doesn't support that

More interesting stuff:

From: Redrum (#33)

Haha, you started it by first murdering 150mil net, then suiciding 100mil net on stoats and now you attack me 10 times in a row knowing that you will just suicide stoats. I'm not here for a war but if you guys are being like this then that is what you will get.



Firetooth has tried to be diplomatic with you guys and I respected that up until the 2nd time in a row that you guys killed 100mil net for no reason. If you don't want to go down that road, don't do it again.. I leave a hole in my army (skiffs) as it says on my warlord info... so if you want land, frigging use skiffs.

This shows, once again, BA lied and intentionally hit redrum/blue eyes with stoats to kill them. I also told Neo we had a hole in skiffs, multiple times.

Finally, I don't hold anything personally against you guys. Give me a day and I'll probably be the same as usual. I just think you don't seem to realize (or don't want to) that this was largely your fault.

I am going to ask nicely that you aid GLADos the marketed troops that Blue and I had. You don't just do a mass kill run after I send you a message apologizing for the sacks and low land.

Depending how this plays out, I would be willing to personally see to this. I have your exact market troop counts recorded. This isn't a guarantee or a promise, but we'll see where things go from here.

Yes, how about my 120bil cash, too? You know, the cash your clan killed away based on lies and actions that were not my own? Kthxbai.

[Shadow]

See, this isn't fun. This is the problem. Play it out in character. Take your lumps and return them ingame.

Who cares who lied and who didn't? Hit back and have a war. Or go for peace and make up. But don't sling around message logs and such. I for one don't care what's in them and don't plan to read them.

You're all overreacting. BA more so (3 kills, really?) but everyone is at fault.

[Kilkenne]

Yes, how about my 120bil cash, too? You know, the cash your clan killed away based on lies and actions that were not my own? Kthxbai.

Feel free to drop the passive aggression, in addition to the martyr complex. I don't owe you anything, nor do I owe TPD or Fake Orcrist anything. I was thinking about maybe doing a thing out of the goodness of my heart™. I didn't call you anything, or imply that you were an idiot. Misled, sure, but stupid? Not what I said. Don't put words in my mouth. From the BA perspective, you were trying to justify a war, and like I said, what comes out on MSN proves that. You are quoting stuff that you quoted to Neo last night when you got refuted repeatedly. It's fine, you can wait to post again for Neo to come back if you want to keep running the same tired lines of "YOU ARE A BUNCH OF LIARS AND I SAW YOU PUNCHING OLD LADIES AT THE GROCERY". I made that bit about the old ladies up. Only Holby engages in fisticuffs with the elderly.

I'm just a guy working through a difficult situation here, I'm not the enemy. We can all agree that Vargarth is. Down with literally all Vargarths.

I should start IC posting and I think I will at Shadow's behest.

[The Purple Dragon]

Sun, 08 May 2011 19:57:06 -0600
From: Droning Bureaucrat (#19)
Not sure if you're aware, but Blue Eyes has stolen 5 billion from one of my indys.

How do you want us to handle it to avoid problems?

OH NO A BAR OF SOAP!!!!!!

5bil? that's nothing... check out my unprovoked battle scars buddy ol' pal!

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not that he did not poison/murder me once, not twice, but ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY ONE TIMES IN A ROW.

BA, please shut up. You're lying scumbags this round and the best word I can use to describe the lot of you is  "SEVZLIKE"

Pack your bags, go home, and we will see you on Redemption Island...

Purple Dragon

[Kilkenne]

We already resolved that, five days ago, remember when that was between you and Rev and the conversations from our forum were given to Firetooth, and worked out? I do. I remember it. I WAS THERE, MAN.

So there I was. In a bush. I don't remember why. But then it started. The mortar rounds were landing all around us and they were coming from every direction. "CHARLIES IN THE TREES" someone shouted. I didn't know what happened, and the last thing I saw was a flash, and I woke up in a med-tent back in Saigon.

[Firetooth]

My point was more I won't get anything back even though I didn't do anything wrong, and to illustrate how much net you destroyed. If there is passive aggression, it is, indeed, unintentional.

See, you may not notice it, but you still paint me out to be less intelligent and justified then Neo by constantly saying he refuted my arguments, which I would say is not true. Had a different opinion=/=refuted.

Finally, nothing in the MSN convo's supported (or at least wasn't meant to, different interpretations and all that) a war. I wanted compensation for repeatedly having my net destroyed, despite your claims you weren't intentionally doing it...which the kills kind of refute.

IC posting has a purpose, but the thread has been going OOC for 2 pages because...the first post was a block of text that wasn't fun to read and was very negative towards GLaDOS. I seriously doubt I'll be able to keep an RP going now. It'll be forced and detract from the purpose of the thread. Make a new RP if you're that bothered, but it's pointless now. Harsh words have been traded, people have overreacted, the damage is a done. A new RP isn't going to undo that, unfortunately.
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Ooh, more posts

Kilk, I think Purpy D was trying to say that complaining about losing 5bil cash after your clan destroyed 100mil net is a bit...out of perspective? Like me complaining about somebody stealing a fiver from me after I stole a few thousand pounds off them.

[The Purple Dragon]

No, I have no recollection of that being resolved, in fact I still want to beat the crap out of Rev in game for pulling off an unprovoked murderous rampage that took him a complete set of 550 turns to pull off.

It is natural for the aggressor to act like the pacifists and try to make the victim look like the bad guy.. it's a classic move. Its just that we have our entire clan backing this point up with solid evidence and all you manage to say is "WAIT AND SEE GUYS, THERE'S AN MSN CONVO COMING... YOU GUYS JUST WAIT!!!!"

I've already proven that I did not try to kill Volkov, and why would I? There is no motive behind it and I've never had a squabble with Volkov before that I can remember.. so there were no hard feelings when I attacked him... trust me if I wanted him dead he would have died... I have every respect for the real veterans of this game (Windy, Volkov, Wolf, Firetooth, Kyle, and Sharptooth)... its the upstart players in your "BA CLAN THAT STANDS FOR PEACE AND WHATNOT" that provoke conflict to attempt to achieve veteran status.

silly wabbit... In Wolf Bite's words... "After stealing the TV, washing the dishes on the way out won't make up for it"

[Ruddertail]

Nothing you've posted even suggests that we were intentionally suiciding your troops, least of all the message from Redrum. Your guys saying it's so don't make it so.  As far the issue of warlord text, in case everyone's forgotten, there's now a way to attack without ever seeing that - attack from scores.  My attacks were all separated by running turns to make more stoats in the hopes that I would break.

[The Purple Dragon]

except for the fact that there was a hole wide open with skiffs and a message on Blue's warlord page saying "USE SKIFFS"...

[Vargarth]

except for the fact that there was a hole wide open with skiffs and a message on Blue's warlord page saying "USE SKIFFS"...

Redrum (#33)

Networth   $3,040,074
Land   5,127 Acres
Race   Rat
Location   Southsward
Clan   GLaDOS
Rank   33
Attack?   Too Small
Defenses   0 (0%)
Attacks   0 (0%)
Kills   0
Land Gained in Attacks   207,121
Land Lost in Attacks   116,087
Created On   May 1, 2011
Notice
Use Skiffs.


What I see is a purposeful attack to try to kill net.

[windhound]

There's lying and there's not knowing all the facts

The only lying I've notice thus far was the claims of troop loss.  Way overestimated.  This could be a deliberate lie or a math mistake
Otherwise...

Making sure you have troop holes is a nice thing to do, but people don't have to use them.  I use rats 95% of the time, I won't go buy troops to save you some losses.  I expect, hope most of my rats will be dead by the time I end my land run
Holding people accountable for troops lost in a landgrab is downright silly

Anyways, I always follow my clan.

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